Fail Quotes

[Lord T Hawkeye]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPPm4885DVo  Get a load of this comment in my top 11 fav statist arguments vid.

According to ubernoobslayer:     "If the government hated the self-employed, they wouldn't offer all the tax deductions that they do to them. The self-employed pay on average 7% less income tax than the regularly employed, and are offered health insurance, home office, travel, and business loan interest tax deductions greater as well (not to mention the great self-employment retirement plans tax deductions).
    The government hates the monopoly corporations, not the start-ups. "

I have yet to find a single self employed person who didn't laugh hysterically at that statement.

[FSBlueApocalypse]

[AnCap Dave]

A comment from this video:

You are wrong. Non-religious upbringing is harmful. It gives no moral foundation for the person, leaving him without ethics, values or views. Those bio-robots, when grown up, act unmoral, damaging their lives and having no values except material gain. Those people are soulless, believing they are just a body, piece of meat. Just few of them wake up spiritually and find their way. Here in Europe it's a massive problem. Hidden communist, socialist indoctrination in wide on the way at schools...

Oh the hilarity.

[Travis Retriever]

Wow...just...wow.

[MrBogosity]

According to ubernoobslayer:     "If the government hated the self-employed, they wouldn't offer all the tax deductions that they do to them. The self-employed pay on average 7% less income tax than the regularly employed, and are offered health insurance, home office, travel, and business loan interest tax deductions greater as well (not to mention the great self-employment retirement plans tax deductions).

[Spit-take] WHAT??? Then how come I, as a self-employed person for over 10 years, have to pay twice the taxes and get half the benefits? Has he never heard of the "self-employment tax" (currently 13.3%, increasing to 15.3% for 2013 (gee, thanks, Barry))? Is he not familiar with all the penalties involved for sending in the wrong amount of Estimated Tax, even if we follow the IRS's math to the digit?

Self-Employed Pay Highest Tax Rate In US

[Travis Retriever]

[Ibrahim90]

whose that fuckstick? doesn't he realize that all three pay taxes? heavy ones too: the income tax, the inflation "tax", or both.

[Travis Retriever]

That is George Carlin.

[VectorM]

whose that fuckstick? doesn't he realize that all three pay taxes? heavy ones too: the income tax, the inflation "tax", or both.

Blah-blah, the rich are foxes and avoid all taxes, blah-blah they influence government with money, blah-blah-blah.

[evensgrey]

whose that fuckstick? doesn't he realize that all three pay taxes? heavy ones too: the income tax, the inflation "tax", or both.

Well, no, he doesn't realize much of anything these days, being dead and everything.

I know he got that Republicans aren't actually about reducing the role of government, although I've never heard any material he had about Democrats.  He didn't seem to understand that the hundreds of investigations and special prosecutors that were sent against the Regan Administration were purely political, and most of the time there was, as the saying goes, "no there there".

[MrBogosity]

This whole thing: https://www.facebook.com/notes/ar%C3%BCn-s%C3%A9amus-surinder-smith/president-runte-i-tore-down-that-wall/10151407051872437

Reproduced here in case it goes away:

President Runte, I Tore Down That Wall
by Arün Séamus Surinder Smith on Tuesday, January 22, 2013 at 1:15am · Public

To the Carleton community:

This evening, acting alone, and in an act of forceful resistance, I removed the Carleton Students for Liberty's "free speech wall" from the Unicentre Galleria.  I take full and sole responsibility for this action, I understand that there will likely be consequences, and I am prepared for the imposition of those consequences, however unjust they might be.

In fact, it is in response to injustice that I have found myself with no recourse beyond this.  We live in a world built on meaningless platitudes, one where abstract ideology seems to trump considerations for humanity; we rely on buzzwords like "free speech" to help us either ignore or perpetuate the gross suffering that our words and actions can cause.  We forget, often deliberately, that the damage we do to individuals in marginalized communities, and to those communities themselves, is inhumane and unjust, and that responding to it with more meaningless platitudes about inclusion and equity is doing nothing to fundamentally alter the status quo.  Given this, I consider this action both a moral imperative, and one entirely in line with the mandates of the positions that students on this campus have chosen for me to hold.

Actions and words can be used both to retrench and to challenge the cages, the boxes, the oppression, that we face, but something must be done in order that we might not suffer so much, so often.  In organizing the "free speech wall," the Students for Liberty have forgotten that liberty requires liberation, and this liberation is prevented by providing space for either more platitudes, or for the expression of hate.  Further, to organize for this "wall" to be erected during our Pride Week, where our communities are supposed to be able to seek liberation and celebrate our diversity, is offensive, ill-considered, and dangerous.  The theme of this year's Pride Week is UNAPOLOGETIC, inviting us to refuse to apologize for who we are, and the erecting of this "wall" is but another in a series of acts of violence against we who are forced every day to try and justify who we are, to try and justify our humanity and our being deserving of respect, dignity, and consideration.

We are supposed to be creating safe(r) spaces for ourselves, and for other students, but there can be no safe(r) spaces where there is potential for triggering, the invalidation or questioning of the identities of others, and/or the expression of hatred.  Prior to undertaking this action, I contacted Equity Services, who have decided to abandon a commitment to serving students; in fact, they referred me to CUSA, who abandoned a commitment to serving students themselves quite a while ago.

When one has little to no institutional support, and where those who are supposed to protect abrogate or abdicate their responsibilities, there is little recourse beyond acts of resistance. Some students with whom I spoke called the area around where the "wall" stood "a war zone," which underlines the realities of our lives: we are at war, in a war for our own survival, where to exist, we resist, and to resist, we exist. 

The time for platitudes is at its dusk, and the time for solidarity with our words and our actions is at its dawn.  It is with this sentiment in mind that I take responsibility.

Remorselessly, and with the utmost sincerity,

Arun Smith

HBA Human Rights and Political Science: International Relations, minor in Sexuality Studies; expected 2013

Challenge Homophobia and Transphobia Campaign Coordinator - Carleton University

Human Rights Representative - Carleton Academic Student Government

Activist/Organizer

613.413.1431 | facebook.com/arunsmith | @arun_smith | EN/FR

Man, I feel an expression of hatred coming on...

[Ibrahim90]

Well, no, he doesn't realize much of anything these days, being dead and everything.

I know he got that Republicans aren't actually about reducing the role of government, although I've never heard any material he had about Democrats.  He didn't seem to understand that the hundreds of investigations and special prosecutors that were sent against the Regan Administration were purely political, and most of the time there was, as the saying goes, "no there there".

didn't know he was dead: in fact, I don't know much about George Carlin at all. either way, the comment failed. he failed.


EDIT: @ Shane: oh, that's the least of it, as stupid and retarded as the guy who wrote this is (srsly, he is one whiny bitch).

you should check this out too:

http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/23/insult-obama-not-on-this-campus/

the text for it too:

Insulting the president and other government officials is practically a national pastime in the United States. This is a testament to the freedom of our society; in some parts of the world, insulting those who govern earns you swift punishment, or at least official censorship. That isn't the case in America — unless you live on a college campus.

Students at Sam Houston State University (SHSU) in Texas found this out the hard way yesterday when they erected a "free speech wall" — a recently popular way for students to highlight the importance of free speech in which students put up a freestanding wall covered in paper, upon which anyone can write anything they want. Students jumped on the chance to participate. To cite a few examples: "Don't hate against Gays ...," "If you make less than $200,000 Republicans don't care about you," "Life's not a bitch, Life is a beautiful woman ...," "Han Solo Shot First," "My boyfriend is a liar!," "Legalize Weed!!!," and "NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFF!!!"

But just hours in, the free speech wall was vandalized by a professor — yes, a professor! — who was offended that someone had written "FUCK OBAMA" on the free speech wall. Students being students, the "F-word" was written on the wall many times about many different topics, but apparently the only expletive that offended this professor enough to take action was the one referring to President Obama.

The professor, whom students identified as Joe Kirk, demanded that the student groups sponsoring the wall — including Republicans, Democrats, libertarians and socialists — cover up only the Obama statement. They refused. He then told them that he would come back with a box cutter and cut it out of the wall himself, which he then did. You can see the before and after pictures at thefire.org.

Shocked that a professor would do this, the student organizers got in touch with the campus police. When the police arrived, they interviewed the students and the vandalizing professor. Then came the surprise: The police told the students that since Prof. Kirk was offended by some profanity on the wall, the students were engaging in "disorderly conduct," a misdemeanor, and had to cover up all the swear words on the wall or take it down. Realizing that this would make a mockery out of the purpose of a free speech wall, the students simply disassembled the wall. Thus ended SHSU's several hour-long experiment with free speech.

Profanity has always had a unique power to bring consternation to those who hear it; legendary comedian George Carlin's "Seven Words You Can Never Say on Television" routine made him famous precisely because he was willing to use such words. But the landmark Supreme Court case of Cohen v. California (1971) made clear that the First Amendment protects shocking or offensive expression, including the use of expletives in the communication of core political speech. In Cohen, the Supreme Court overturned the conviction of a man for wearing a jacket emblazoned with the words "Fuck the Draft" in a county courthouse, writing that "one man's vulgarity is another's lyric."

Prof. Kirk does not appear to have been offended by the F-word itself, however — only at its use in an insult against the president. That's the only one he cut out, after all. But the right of Americans to insult their leaders is just as protected as the right to use four-letter words. In New York Times Co. v. Sullivan (1964), the Supreme Court made clear that the First Amendment requires that "[d]ebate on public issues should be uninhibited, robust, and wide-open, and ... may well include vehement, caustic, and sometimes unpleasantly sharp attacks on government and public officials." And in Rankin v. McPherson (1987), the Court found that the First Amendment protected a deputy county constable's expressed hope that if another attempt were to be made on President Reagan's life, that it be successful. If that extreme statement constitutes protected speech, there is no question the words "FUCK OBAMA" are as well.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/23/insult-obama-not-on-this-campus/#ixzz2IjirZFrZ

[tnu]

This is just one of those long fails that leaves me dumbfounded. don't know what to say to this.

I don't know how you can completely ignore this fact, but people that are medicare and social security beneficiaries paid into that program their entire lives. On top of that, your notion that they are woefully dependent on government is ridiculous, most medicare and social security beneficiaries are not at all solely reliant on money from those programs. To suggest such a thing is absurd.

Medicaid exists because we have a healthcare system that leaves lower income people shit out of luck. Giving them access to basic care is much less expensive than waiting until they show up at the emergency room to get primary care there (and we are required by law to treat them, and you would have a very touch time coming up with an argument that we shouldn't, both on a moral and practical level).

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Just because government exists doesn't mean people are dependent on it. Government does a hell of a lot of things completely un-related to welfare and food stamps etc. Many of those things have tremendous positive externalities and have benefitted society greatly.

[AnCap Dave]

Usually we post a lot of American and European bullshit, but apparently Japan has its fair share of bullshit as well.

Source

TOKYO - Taro Aso has never been one to hold his tongue. But Japan's 72 year-old deputy prime minister may have outdone himself with his latest gaffe.

At a government panel to discuss social security reforms, the former prime minister called the elderly who are unable to feed themselves "tube people," then proceeded to say the elderly should be allowed to "hurry up and die" to reduce the burden on a country tasked to pay for their medical expenses.

Adding his personal experience, Aso said he had already written a will, directing his family to let him "hurry up and die," refusing end-of-life care.

"Even if (doctors) said they could keep me alive, it would be unbearable," he said. "I would feel guilty, knowing that (treatment) was being paid for by the government."

Aso later argued that his comments were misinterpreted. He was speaking about his personal wishes, not those of all senior citizens.

The issue of elderly care remains a major challenge for Japan, the world's fastest aging country. Nearly a quarter of the population is 65 and older, with that number expected to spike to 40 percent in the next 50 years. Concerns about financial strains placed on social security and pension systems are so grave, lawmakers passed an unpopular tax hike bill last summer, agreeing to double the sales tax to 10 percent over the next three years.

Aso has a history of verbal blunders. He once compared an opposition party to the Nazis, and said he wanted Japan to become the kind of country "the richest Jews would want to live." In 2008, while still prime minister, Aso called the elderly a "feeble" group.

"Why should I have to pay taxes for people who just sit around and do nothing but eat and drink?" he said at the time.

He later apologized for his comments on national TV.

Taro Aso seems like such a pleasant person...

[MrBogosity]

Usually we post a lot of American and European bullshit, but apparently Japan has its fair share of bullshit as well.

Source

Taro Aso seems like such a pleasant person...

At least he's willing to include himself in his proclamations. Assuming, of course, he's being sincere and won't do the exact opposite when the time comes.