Fail Quotes

[tnu]

Oh god. Temerit is at it again. He's fond of the "you want civilians ot ahve nukes" argument for gun control so I decdi3ed to ask him why not go the other way and ban the weapons from use by the police and military as well I get this.

Because the only point of doing so would be to conform to libertarian ideology, an ideology that is rejected by the vast majority of American citizens, especially those who are educated.

[MrBogosity]

Oh god. Temerit is at it again. He's fond of the "you want civilians ot ahve nukes" argument for gun control

Just lay a little Rothbard on him:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard26.html

It has often been maintained, and especially by conservatives, that the development of the horrendous modern weapons of mass murder (nuclear weapons, rockets, germ warfare, etc.) is only a difference of degree rather than kind from the simpler weapons of an earlier era. Of course, one answer to this is that when the degree is the number of human lives, the difference is a very big one. But another answer that the libertarian is particularly equipped to give is that while the bow and arrow and even the rifle can be pinpointed, if the will be there, against actual criminals, modern nuclear weapons cannot. Here is a crucial difference in kind. Of course, the bow and arrow could be used for aggressive purposes, but it could also be pinpointed to use only against aggressors. Nuclear weapons, even "conventional" aerial bombs, cannot be. These weapons are ipso facto engines of indiscriminate mass destruction. (The only exception would be the extremely rare case where a mass of people who were all criminals inhabited a vast geographical area.) We must, therefore, conclude that the use of nuclear or similar weapons, or the threat thereof, is a sin and a crime against humanity for which there can be no justification.

[evensgrey]

Just lay a little Rothbard on him:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard26.html

Just don't use that as a reason to get rid of ALL the nukes and the capacity to produce them at a low speed.  If we get a Keyhole event, we're likely to need a few.

[tnu]

Wow Temerit really came up with a doozy here. I have to warn you, the level of fail in this quote may be hazardous to your health.

Simply because law enforcement uses threat of detention to ensure compliance does not make government an inherently violent entity.

[Ibrahim90]

Simply because law enforcement uses threat of detention to ensure compliance does not make government an inherently violent entity.

ask him how threatening people with certain punishment (often violent), in the event of failure of compliance, is not evidence of violence inherent to people who do that. So the robber threatening to shoot a person if they don't hand over the goods is violence, yet doing the same (or worse) to a person by government isn't?

EDIT: much better.

[evensgrey]

ask him how threatening people with certain punishment (often violent), in the event of failure of compliance, is not evidence of violence inherent to people who do that. So the robber threatening to shoot a person if they don't hand over the goods isn't violence, yet doing the same (or worse) to a person by government isn't?

I asked essentially that question, and got a response claiming that asking the question indicated delusional paranoia.

[R.E.H.W.R.]

ask him how threatening people with certain punishment (often violent), in the event of failure of compliance, is not evidence of violence inherent to people who do that. So the robber threatening to shoot a person if they don't hand over the goods isn't violence, yet doing the same (or worse) to a person by government isn't?

You know, I have never gotten an answer to that.

[tnu]

What about democracy necessitates that it be akin to mob rule?

I can't stop laughing at this oen for soem reaosn. It's just so...

[Ibrahim90]

I asked essentially that question, and got a response claiming that asking the question indicated delusional paranoia.

How's it paranoia? does he even know what Paranoia is? you and I are simply asking how the logic is consistent: we (and I assume he) Know what government does when you disobey, as we do what robbers and thugs do when you disobey them. How are they different? if he can answer that question, I'm all ears, but until then, he's ducking the issue. like a coward does.

EDIT: shit! I made a mistake with my question earlier. will fix it.

[evensgrey]

How's it paranoia? does he even know what Paranoia is? you and I are simply asking how the logic is consistent: we (and I assume he) Know what government does when you disobey, as we do what robbers and thugs do when you disobey them. How are they different? if he can answer that question, I'm all ears, but until then, he's ducking the issue. like a coward does.

EDIT: shit! I made a mistake with my question earlier. will fix it.

Ah, well ,you see, he seemed to consider it inconceivable that there had been any threat made (against him) in the event of non-compliance because he couldn't conceive of anyone who wasn't a "paranoid right-winger" not complying with what he decided to call "lawful demands".  I then asked him if he had the slightest idea what he'd actually said, and he never answered that question at all.

[R.E.H.W.R.]

just had a liberal tell me that there where 300 mass shooting in the past ten years.

[evensgrey]

just had a liberal tell me that there where 300 mass shooting in the past ten years.

Maybe world-wide, with about 295 carried out by soldiers under the orders of their commanders.

Or, they might be using a definition of 'mass shooting' that would make even Piers Morgan pause before using it.

[R.E.H.W.R.]

Maybe world-wide, with about 295 carried out by soldiers under the orders of their commanders.

Or, they might be using a definition of 'mass shooting' that would make even Piers Morgan pause before using it.

This guy meant the US.

[MrBogosity]

This guy meant the US.

Is he including cops raiding the wrong home?

[evensgrey]

Is he including cops raiding the wrong home?

There aren't usually enough people in a single home to qualify for what appears to be the most common definitions of a 'mass shooting' (5 or more victims in a single incident).For most botched raids, that would mean cops shooting each other.  Of course, in SOME departments...