Fail Quotes

[Altimadark]

Um... "Do you like Beethoven? Mozart? Bach? Misogynist! Don't you know they were all old white men?" Mozart died at 35.

As if these "enlightened" people would let something as irrelevant as facts get in the way.

[BlameThe1st]

And something tells me the Rothbard quote is a quotemine. Double fail.

[MrBogosity]

And something tells me the Rothbard quote is a quotemine. Double fail.

It may not even be that. I just spent several minutes looking through websites that use this quote. That is the only part of the quote that is ever given (nothing extra from before or after), and, above all, none of them cite any source. I searched my ebook copy of The Ethics of Liberty, and the word "unleashed" appears nowhere in the book.

My feeling is, the quote is either an outright fabrication, or a quote-mine so obvious that his detractors dare not post the source for fear it would be spotted in an instant.

Of course, Rothbard was far from perfect and did have some odious positions, but you'd think that if this one were that easily verifiable they wouldn't hesitate to include the source! Yet I didn't see a single citation in 2 pages of Google results, with the exception of where one article cited another article that had no citation to the quote.

[MrBogosity]

It does seem to contradict this passage from Page 82:

Take, for example, the police practice of beating and torturing suspects—or, at least, of tapping their wires. People who object to these practices are invariably accused by conservatives of "coddling criminals." But the whole point is that we don't know if these are criminals or not, and until convicted, they must be presumed not to be criminals and to enjoy all the rights of the innocent: in the words of the famous phrase, "they are innocent until proven guilty." (The only exception would be a victim exerting self-defense on the spot against an aggressor, for he knows that the criminal is invading his home.)...We may qualify this discussion in one important sense: police may use such coercive methods provided that the suspect turns out to be guilty, and provided that the police are treated as themselves criminal if the suspect is not proven guilty.

[Dallas Wildman]

The conversation of where the Israelis came up with the idea of "knocking" of someone's roof before obliterating it with a hellfire missile

<facepalm>

[Travis Retriever]

It may not even be that. I just spent several minutes looking through websites that use this quote. That is the only part of the quote that is ever given (nothing extra from before or after), and, above all, none of them cite any source. I searched my ebook copy of The Ethics of Liberty, and the word "unleashed" appears nowhere in the book.

My feeling is, the quote is either an outright fabrication, or a quote-mine so obvious that his detractors dare not post the source for fear it would be spotted in an instant.

Of course, Rothbard was far from perfect and did have some odious positions, but you'd think that if this one were that easily verifiable they wouldn't hesitate to include the source! Yet I didn't see a single citation in 2 pages of Google results, with the exception of where one article cited another article that had no citation to the quote.

Reminds me of that quote Templar Justin came up with of Rothbard supporting corporations (or at least saying they'd be a thing in a free society).  I notice he never provided a source for that either.  And even if he said it *and* it wasn't a quote-mine, I don't recall us looking at him as an infallible authority the way statists like him do the state..so....

[MrBogosity]

Reminds me of that quote Templar Justin came up with of Rothbard supporting corporations (or at least saying they'd be a thing in a free society).  I notice he never provided a source for that either.  And even if he said it *and* it wasn't a quote-mine, I don't recall us looking at him as an infallible authority the way statists like him do the state..so....

Exactly. It's just like when creationists try to make out like Darwin was wrong about something, and therefore we should all abandon evolution. Darwin was wrong about LOTS of things! That doesn't matter. It's what he was RIGHT about that's important.

[Travis Retriever]

Wow. Kadrol in these two videos:

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He actually seriously defended mass murder and said that yeah, Hitler was in the right (or at least legal...), etc.  While having the nerve to accuse US of being heartless and shit.  Good lord, this guy is off his rocker.  I'd accuse him of trolling, but I feel that would be overstating/overestimating his intellect.  Bonus bogon points for him if he laughs at the religious for defending their deity's mass murders...Of course, seeing as he doesn't know bugger all about evolution, it wouldn't surprise me if he is also a creationist too...

[Altimadark]

So this comic by one Mike Dawson got tweeted to me. For some reason, I was thinking of Tim Dyson when I clicked the link, so it's no surprise I ended up a bit disappointed:

http://mikedawwwson.tumblr.com/post/91854168921/santrevl-hound-actual-armedplatypus

I think the bogons really start pouring in when he "counters" anybody who might bring up the 2nd Amendment by asking about his right not to feel terrorized by a guy carrying a rifle at a comic convention, whom he then (indirectly) compares to Elliot Rodger. Note that Mike makes no mention of said guy hurting or threatening anybody, and even suggests the possibility that, being a convention, the gun might not be real.

And thinking about it, that second part really gets to me. I admit, I probably haven't been to as many conventions as Mike here, but generally, the only people with real guns, rifles or no, is going to be security. And again, Mike offered no evidence that the gun was real, outside of the fact that he felt terrorized about it.

[Travis Retriever]

So this comic by one Mike Dawson got tweeted to me. For some reason, I was thinking of Tim Dyson when I clicked the link, so it's no surprise I ended up a bit disappointed:

http://mikedawwwson.tumblr.com/post/91854168921/santrevl-hound-actual-armedplatypus

I think the bogons really start pouring in when he "counters" anybody who might bring up the 2nd Amendment by asking about his right not to feel terrorized by a guy carrying a rifle at a comic convention, whom he then (indirectly) compares to Elliot Rodger. Note that Mike makes no mention of said guy hurting or threatening anybody, and even suggests the possibility that, being a convention, the gun might not be real.

And thinking about it, that second part really gets to me. I admit, I probably haven't been to as many conventions as Mike here, but generally, the only people with real guns, rifles or no, is going to be security. And again, Mike offered no evidence that the gun was real, outside of the fact that he felt terrorized about it.

So his only argument is 'mah feelz'.  Typical.

[MrBogosity]

I think the bogons really start pouring in when he "counters" anybody who might bring up the 2nd Amendment by asking about his right not to feel terrorized by a guy carrying a rifle at a comic convention

For some reason, I flashed to that scene from Chasing Amy...

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And thinking about it, that second part really gets to me. I admit, I probably haven't been to as many conventions as Mike here, but generally, the only people with real guns, rifles or no, is going to be security.

Come to a libertarian convention sometime--that WON'T be the case! (Unless the venue restricts firearms, that is.)

[Altimadark]

And thinking about it, that second part really gets to me. I admit, I probably haven't been to as many conventions as Mike here, but generally, the only people with real guns, rifles or no, is going to be security.

Come to a libertarian convention sometime--that WON'T be the case! (Unless the venue restricts firearms, that is.)

That's kinda like what I tweeted to him [1] [2]:
"Isla Vista, Sandy Hook, the Aurora Shooting? All places with high gun restrictions. Yet you never hear of a shooting at a gun show, and the man with the rifle you mentioned didn't start shooting people at a crowded convention. Just my 2 cents."

On a related note, I just looked over the comments for his initial tweet again. Mike shows us just what a moral and upstanding citizen he is, as he plans to go to a restaurant in a more gun-friendly area and hope an open-carrier walks in so he can justify a dine & dash.

[MrBogosity]

On a related note, I just looked over the comments for his initial tweet again. Mike shows us just what a moral and upstanding citizen he is, as he plans to go to a restaurant in a more gun-friendly area and hope an open-carrier walks in so he can justify a dine & dash.

I fear to ask: what is a "dine & dash"?

This guy's already next week's IE; anything else is just icing...

[Travis Retriever]

I fear to ask: what is a "dine & dash"?

This guy's already next week's IE; anything else is just icing...

Leaving a restaurant without paying but after you've eaten your food. Basically theft by fraud.

[MrBogosity]

Leaving a restaurant without paying but after you've eaten your food. Basically theft by fraud.

Ah. Yeah, and since he announced in advance he was doing it on Twitter, it's premeditated and he can't justify it in court!