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So we talked about crypto-currency and if paladins can be anarchists. I also gave a shoutout to the Bogosity Podcast. Your welcome shane ;3

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June 15, 2014, 09:56:07 AM #4096 Last Edit: March 08, 2017, 10:55:58 PM by Travis Retriever
"I know very well that by taking this stance I've 'outlawed' myself from ever making money by writing for the mainstream publications and I've also offended a lot of the so-called 'experts.' But, guess what? I don't care. I'm sick of bullshit, and I won't play the game and be brainwashed by people who don't know a fraction of what I do about training and nutrition. If you sense that as arrogance and don't like my attitude then I don't care either - leave my site and read some bullshit elsewhere that you find more pleasant. I couldn't care less who likes me, doesn't like me, approves or disapproves of anything I say here. But remember this: I've been there, got the T-shirt, learned the hard way and I'm here to help. Hey, I could be paid for writing bullshit, but I don't."--Casey Butt, http://www.weightrainer.net/training/rules.html

I can't not imagine someone like Shane--or any other longtime (rationalist) libertarian--having similar sentiments.  Only instead it might read like this:

"I know very well that by taking this stance I've blacklisted myself from ever making money by writing for the mainstream publications and I've also offended a lot of the so-called 'experts.' But, guess what? I don't care. I'm sick of bullshit, and I won't play the game and be brainwashed, browbeaten, or bullied by people who don't know a fraction of what I do about politics,  economics, science, and history (and many other subjects). If you sense that as arrogance and don't like my attitude then I don't care either--leave my sites and read some bullshit elsewhere that you find more pleasant. I couldn't care less who likes me, doesn't like me, approves or disapproves of anything I say here. But remember this: I've been there, got the T-shirt, learned the hard way and I'm here to help. Hey, I could be paid for writing bullshit ...but I don't."--any rational libertarian, I'm sure, myself included
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537

June 15, 2014, 02:03:47 PM #4097 Last Edit: June 15, 2014, 02:06:06 PM by MrBogosity
Quote from: Travis Retriever on June 15, 2014, 09:56:07 AM
"I know very well that by taking this stance I've 'outlawed' myself from ever making money by writing for the mainstream publications and I've also offended a lot of the so-called 'experts' on the internet discussion boards. But, guess what? I don't care. I'm sick of bullshit, and I won't play the game and be brainwashed by people who don't know a fraction of what I do about training and nutrition. If you sense that as arrogance and don't like my attitude then I don't care either - leave my site and read some bullshit elsewhere that you find more pleasant. I couldn't care less who likes me, doesn't like me, approves or disapproves of anything I say here. But remember this: I've been there, got the T-shirt, learned the hard way and I'm here to help. Hey, I could be paid for writing bullshit ...but I don't."--Casey Butt, http://www.weightrainer.net/training/rules.html

I can't not imagine someone like Shane--or any other longtime libertarian--having similar sentiments.  Only instead it might read like this:

"I know very well that by taking this stance I've blacklisted myself from ever making money by writing for the mainstream publications and I've also offended a lot of the so-called 'experts' on the internet discussion boards in the news media, and in universities. But, guess what? I don't care. I'm sick of bullshit, and I won't play the game and be brainwashed by people who don't know a fraction of what I do about politics and economics. If you sense that as arrogance and don't like my attitude then I don't care either - leave my site and read some bullshit elsewhere that you find more pleasant. I couldn't care less who likes me, doesn't like me, approves or disapproves of anything I say here. But remember this: I've been there, got the T-shirt, learned the hard way and I'm here to help. Hey, I could be paid for writing bullshit ...but I don't."--any rational libertarian, I'm sure, myself included

Pretty much, yeah. Bogosity got a lot of attention and accolades from the skeptical community, including recognition and gatherings and interviews on skeptical podcasts, etc. Then I started hitting statist policies and using the same techniques to nail those to the wall. If I hadn't done that, I probably could have grown to where I could charge money for speaking engagements, things like that. But now, they don't call, they don't write...

When they do mention me, it's to say how I went all crazy in politics. Yet, even when pressed, I can't get any of them to say how I've done anything differently than I was when I was going against creationists or moon hoaxers.

It's a similar thing, sadly, in libertarian circles, although less so. I've been on Ed&Ethan twice, and they seemed to like me on Voluntary Virtues. But elsewhere, eventually I'll go against a pet issue of theirs and I'm a shill for government and Big Pharma and Monsanto and whatever else.

I think that's why the successful podcasts like the Skeptics Guide to the Universe make it a point to avoid politics. The times they've skirted that shoal, they've come close to statements I've been saying for years, even though they aren't (overtly, at least) libertarians. They probably feel that if they go any further they'll lose listeners. And I'm sure they would be right.

That's why lately my goal has been to get down to first principles such as Burden of Proof and actually try and engage skeptics directly. That's the whole point of my Atheism and Libertarianism series, it's where I'm going with How To Argue For Statism (part 2 should be up tomorrow, BTW), and I'm hoping if other libertarians pick this up and run with it it'll have the same effect that Dawkins, Hitchens, etc. had on the atheist movement.

Interestingly, I've gotten MUCH friendlier reception from theist libertarians than I have from statheists. I have to admit, I didn't expect that, although something inside me says in hindsight that I should have.

June 15, 2014, 02:17:35 PM #4098 Last Edit: April 30, 2016, 12:04:47 PM by Travis Retriever
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 15, 2014, 02:03:47 PM
Pretty much, yeah. Bogosity got a lot of attention and accolades from the skeptical community, including recognition and gatherings and interviews on skeptical podcasts, etc. Then I started hitting statist policies and using the same techniques to nail those to the wall. If I hadn't done that, I probably could have grown to where I could charge money for speaking engagements, things like that. But now, they don't call, they don't write...

When they do mention me, it's to say how I went all crazy in politics. Yet, even when pressed, I can't get any of them to say how I've done anything differently than I was when I was going against creationists or moon hoaxers.

It's a similar thing, sadly, in libertarian circles, although less so. I've been on Ed&Ethan twice, and they seemed to like me on Voluntary Virtues. But elsewhere, eventually I'll go against a pet issue of theirs and I'm a shill for government and Big Pharma and Monsanto and whatever else.

I think that's why the successful podcasts like the Skeptics Guide to the Universe make it a point to avoid politics. The times they've skirted that shoal, they've come close to statements I've been saying for years, even though they aren't (overtly, at least) libertarians. They probably feel that if they go any further they'll lose listeners. And I'm sure they would be right.

That's why lately my goal has been to get down to first principles such as Burden of Proof and actually try and engage skeptics directly. That's the whole point of my Atheism and Libertarianism series, it's where I'm going with How To Argue For Statism (part 2 should be up tomorrow, BTW), and I'm hoping if other libertarians pick this up and run with it it'll have the same effect that Dawkins, Hitchens, etc. had on the atheist movement.

Interestingly, I've gotten MUCH friendlier reception from theist libertarians than I have from statheists. I have to admit, I didn't expect that, although something inside me says in hindsight that I should have.
Dang.  Sounds like I was right.  I had my suspicion that that was the case.  And yeah, I notice that too--for some reason theist libertarians (Mary J Ruwart, BlameThe1st, Davi Barker/TheMuslimAgorist) tend to be a LOT nicer, and more atheist-libertarian friendly than statheists (too many to name) for some reason.
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537

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"The more laws and order are made prominent, the more thieves and robbers there will be."
Lao Tzu

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I gotta include this line in my regular dialog. Thanks, Shane.

Shane Killian
"And of course, as we all know, the best way to make sure that something never happens is to ban it, right? I mean, that always works, doesn't it?" </sarcasm>
Failing to clean up my own mistakes since the early 80s.

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http://io9.com/10-scientific-ideas-that-scientists-wish-you-would-stop-1591309822

Of particular note, this entry on "natural":

Quote"Natural" is a word that has been used in so many contexts with so many different meanings that it's become almost impossible to parse. Its most basic usage, to distinguish phenomena that exist only because of humankind from phenomena that don't, presumes that humans are somehow separate from nature, and our works are un- or non-natural when compared to, say, beavers or honeybees.

When speaking of food, "natural" is even slipperier. It has different meanings in different countries, and in the US, the FDA has given up on a meaningful definition of natural food (largely in favor of "organic", another nebulous term). In Canada, I could market corn as "natural" if I avoid adding or subtracting various things before selling it, but the corn itself is the result of thousands of years of selection by humans, from a plant that wouldn't exist without human intervention.


No Sovereign but God. No King but Jesus. No Princess but Celestia.

Discovered this guy today and I fucking LOVE him already!

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I'd nominate this for Silver Cluon, but I don't know who made it.
Working every day to expose the terrible price we pay for government.

Quote from: Dallas Wildman on June 19, 2014, 10:15:15 PM

I'd nominate this for Silver Cluon, but I don't know who made it.
Malcom X was a Muslim? Damn.  I didn't know that.
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537

Quote from: Travis Retriever on June 20, 2014, 08:07:37 AM
Malcom X was a Muslim? Damn.  I didn't know that.

In fact, he was both a 'bad' Muslim (a member of The Nation of Islam, which is basically a black, Muslim equivalent of the white, Christian KKK), and a 'good' Muslim when he later abandoned their racist theology after making the pilgrimage to Mecca.

Quote from: evensgrey on June 20, 2014, 12:01:16 PM
In fact, he was both a 'bad' Muslim (a member of The Nation of Islam, which is basically a black, Muslim equivalent of the white, Christian KKK), and a 'good' Muslim when he later abandoned their racist theology after making the pilgrimage to Mecca.
Ah.

Not sure why, but the first thing I noticed (going from the bottom up) in that picture was that the 'evil/bad' ones tended to have more/more elaborate facial hair. O.o
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537

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"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537

"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537