Fail Quotes

[dallen68]

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-manly-things-that-are-going-away-forever/

How much fail can you see in this?  I facepalmed at the red meat one and stopped reading at the first sentence.  Wong, the only reason those feed lots via feeding cows corn or whatever are so prevalent is because of government subsidies of corn and other such farmers and of the meat industry.  A free market would take care of that, and probably the rest as well, you beta, white-knighting, misdandric fucktard.  It leads me to believe the rest (e.g. the ad hominems he opens up with too) are just as poorly thought out.  There's a reason why Wong has more appearances in this thread than the rest of the cracked.com team combined!

Firstly, when I was growing up, Cracked was a satirical magazine, so I have a hard time putting a lot of weight to any thing Cracked has to say. Occasionally, they accidentally happen to be right, but that's about it.

And now on to the specifics of the article -

#5-#2: None of those things are going anywhere even temporarily. Although I personally wish #5,#3, & #2 would at least be where I'm not. To suggest these things are "going away forever" is laughable - and not in the good way.

#1: We're starting to make some progress there, but probably not as much the OP seems to think. When I was school-aged, being bullied was considered "good for you", and more often than not, the teacher *was* the bully, and if you said anything...well, anyway.

I'm seeing signs that at least we're moving past that, and at least if you are bullied, it isn't by EVERYBODY.

[tnu]

What do i read lol, capitalist also think great depression was because of the state. Ok imagine one thing if not the state by then people would still ride horses robbing anything that was left to rob in a true anarchist land of America so banks even wouldn't exist because private police force would have helped robbers for bigger wages until in the end everyone died. So yes great depression wouldn't have happened without state...

[Travis Retriever]

Firstly, when I was growing up, Cracked was a satirical magazine, so I have a hard time putting a lot of weight to any thing Cracked has to say. Occasionally, they accidentally happen to be right, but that's about it.

To be fair, it is still is (more or less), but I don't buy the "it's comedy ergo it has immunity!" defense bogosity, especially when it seems that nowadays they aren't even trying to really be funny.

As for bullying, well, if you count police officers, and hell just government in general which doesn't seem to be going away anytime soon (at least not in my lifetime sadly. ), then you could even argue that bullying *has* gotten worse.  Though that hurts, not helps, Wong's points.

[MrBogosity]

Finally:  http://v.i4031.net/StatistFallacies/AgreeToDisagree"[/color]

I've always thought that one saying "Let's just agree to disagree" is tantamount to admitting one has lost the argument.

[dallen68]

I've always thought that one saying "Let's just agree to disagree" is tantamount to admitting one has lost the argument.

Sometimes (okay, usually) it is, but sometimes it's the person realizes that at this particular moment neither of you is going to add anything to the discussion. He's going to be saying "is" and you're going to be saying "is not", so in these circumstances, this could be a way of saying "let's pick this up later, when there's something new to say."

[Travis Retriever]

@Shane & Dallen's above posts:  I would probably be nicer if in one argument he hadn't talked about how using someone else's argument is not honorable/manly or something (when I admitted I had help from Hawkeye with Aldark on Skype and Hawkeye on AIM) as if it somehow makes it less of an argument if someone else thought of it.    Which is bogus.  If he's against specialization of information like that, it's no wonder his arguments are as shitty as they are!  Like a car made by the Soviet Union!

And for him to do the same with, "Well my previous doctor disagrees with basic math and the laws of Thermodynamics HUR DUR!" I'm like, Really?  Also, if he really liked the doctor that well WHY IS HE NOT STILL YOUR FUCKING DOCTOR?! Sheesh.  Hell, what's more a doctor =/= a nutritionist.  And of course, yes, the "some online calculator" is the same one my professional nutritionist uses in terms of variables.  Deal with it Aldark and stop making fucking excuses for yourself.

[dallen68]

@Shane & Dallen's above posts:  I would probably be nicer if in one argument he hadn't talked about how using someone else's argument is not honorable/manly or something (when I admitted I had help from Hawkeye with Aldark on Skype and Hawkeye on AIM) as if it somehow makes it less of an argument if someone else thought of it.    Which is bogus.  If he's against specialization of information like that, it's no wonder his arguments are as shitty as they are!  Like a car made by the Soviet Union!

And for him to do the same with, "Well my previous doctor disagrees with basic math and the laws of Thermodynamics HUR DUR!" I'm like, Really?  Also, if he really liked the doctor that well WHY IS HE NOT STILL YOUR FUCKING DOCTOR?! Sheesh.  Hell, what's more a doctor =/= a nutritionist.  And of course, yes, the "some online calculator" is the same one my professional nutritionist uses in terms of variables.  Deal with it Aldark and stop making fucking excuses for yourself.

Well, yeah, in that instance - You can't even agree to disagree, because one side has "here's what I pulled from my rear orifice" and the other has evidence. Also, how do we know this Doctor of his isn't a Dr. Oz type or if he misunderstood what the doctor said, or...I did cover talking out his ass, right?

[Travis Retriever]

Well, yeah, in that instance - You can't even agree to disagree, because one side has "here's what I pulled from my rear orifice" and the other has evidence. Also, how do we know this Doctor of his isn't a Dr. Oz type or if he misunderstood what the doctor said, or...I did cover talking out his ass, right?

He reminds me of #8 on this list:  http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-8-people-who-will-ruin-your-attempt-to-lose-weight/
I see a LOT of people who fit into that category sadly.  Not as infuriating as the ones in #5 (like my Mentor at university *eyetwitch*), but definitely up there. >.>

[Travis Retriever]

From #2 on the following list:  http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-awesome-things-with-inexplicably-bad-reputations_p2/
"Both sides are wrong. "Assault weapon" was the name given to a military rifle developed in World War II that could switch between automatic and semiautomatic modes of firing. During the '80s, when American gun sales were slow, manufacturers started introducing these new weapons to the public, with one difference: The guns were missing the automatic-fire mode, because automatic weapons have been highly restricted in America since 1934. With that distinction gone, the only difference left between an assault weapon and a normal rifle is that one looks vaguely newer and could be marketed as more modern."

Fail for contradicting themselves in the paragraph.  And even if that was still true of them, Hawkeye's and our arguments still apply.

I laughed at #1.  Fedoras are basically the new "Neckbeard."

[evensgrey]

I laughed at #1.  Fedoras are basically the new "Neckbeard."

And Fedoras have an extremely explicable reason for having a bad reputation: Al Capone wore (a fake) one. On the plus side, if you've ever heard the term 'a hat trick' for scoring three goals in one sports match, this is the hat you would have gotten. (It started as a way for the Toronto, Canada haberdasher who invented the Fedora, and didn't sell Capone one, to both get some free advertising and encourage his local hockey team.)

[tnu]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/714496235251285/permalink/716680688366173/?stream_ref=3

Yet again, everything by Brent Lengel.

[R.E.H.W.R.]

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-manly-things-that-are-going-away-forever/

How much fail can you see in this?  I facepalmed at the red meat one and stopped reading at the first sentence.  Wong, the only reason those feed lots via feeding cows corn or whatever are so prevalent is because of government subsidies of corn and other such farmers and of the meat industry.  A free market would take care of that, and probably the rest as well, you beta, white-knighting, misdandric fucktard.  It leads me to believe the rest (e.g. the ad hominems he opens up with too) are just as poorly thought out.  There's a reason why Wong has more appearances in this thread than the rest of the cracked.com team combined!

Winning involves not just strength and speed, but brutality and intimidation.

UGH! I don't even play football and I know better than this.
And I don't ever remember bullying being a "manly" thing in the past decades. Every person I have ever talked to says bullies are cowards.

[tnu]

You just continually assert that property can not be defended without a state and have done fuck all to back it up.

Find me ONE incidence of Private Property that does not operate within a State Structure. You can't. The onus is not on ME to prove a negative, YOU hold the burden of proof here.

(admittedly I'm not entiarly sure if he is right on this perticular aspect.)

Damn near EVERY source that ISN'T communist propaganda pretty much identifies Stalin's system as state socialism.

Actually, Marxists usually argue that it was socialism and the USSR put a shit ton of money and time in to convincing everyone it WAS socialism (even wrote it into treaties) Because there was a great deal of prestige in being a genuine example of socialism.

However, this isn't true. Lenin described the economy as State Capitalist.

Think of it like this: Lenninism is all about a METHOD for reaching communism. SO the idea was to Start out "State Capitalist" (Which allowed for Private Property & wage labor in most industry, while having the government manage the biggest industries FOR PROFIT. IE: the State ITSELF is engaging in Capitalism AS IF IT WERE A BUSINESS) and from there you move to socialism, and from there eventually to communism.

Broadly the USSR can be considered a "socialist country" but it's economy was more of a fusion between Socialism and Capitalism. It had elements of both. This was largely because Lenin was kind of super right-wing compared to most traditional communists up to that point.


"If you think Stalin was somehow a capitalist"

Stalin was NOT a capitalist - BUT that doesn't mean the economy he presided over was genuinely socialist. Sure it had socialist elements to it, and was probably the most socialist State in the world until Red China - BUT there was plenty of FOR-PROFIT activity going on, both by individual businessmen and by The State.


"It just goes to show that you use capitalist as a catch all for any implemented system that doesn't fit your narrative of communism."

No I don't. You don't even know what my narrative even IS, you've never bothered to ask.

"I think there's something of a disconnect, maybe due to my use of colloquial definitions. To my understanding "Marxism" is generally used as a catch-all for ideologies such as communism, socialism, et al. Am I mistaken?"


YES. Marxism is ONE form of socialism. It's not even the oldest or the most prevalent. Socialism predates Marx, and there's a SUPER IMPORTANT split that happened between the Marxists and the Anarchists (BOTH socialists). It's called the "Black/Red Divide" and was KIND OF a big deal:

http://en.wikipedia.org/.../International_Workingmen's...

I am not a Marxist. Most Anarchists aren't.


"Then you ought to know better about the actual MEANING of the word "capitalism" and related terms instead you seem to have a college liberals lack of unsderstanding of the terms and use them to refer to anything you happen to dislike." (this was a response to him saying he had read all of the classical Austrian and Chicago school proponents) 

You sir, are more Liberal than I am. I am a Leftist. Anarchism is a POST-LIBERAL ideology. AnCaps are radical Liberals.

"I read a bit of Thereau in high school but nothing really substantial. I've been considering starting on Proudhun for awhile but I havn't had th e time and I've had a crap ton of other books to get to (mostly fiction) That and my limited eyesight makes reading difficult.

"So I take it you derive your understanding of communism mostly from Kropotkin, Bakunin, and Chomsky?"

Yeah, also Proudhon, and Emma Goldman and Durruti.

It's important to remember that communism kinda has two meanings - it was defined by Marx as a "Classless, Stateless Society" but colloquially people tend to use it to refer specifically to "Marxists" and various stripes of "Lenninists" as Communists (I call it Big "C" Communism) but they aren't the only kinds of communists.



"Because it's not true. All the Austrian school says is that you can't do direct experimentation on economics in the same way that you can do for, say, physics. It merely states that the reliance on human action and interaction in economics makes direct experiments and equations unreliable because they can't always predict all of the possible variables."

YES. AND THAT MEANS THEY REJECT EMPIRICISM BECAUSE EMPIRICISM ARGUES THAT KNOWLEDGE CAN ONLY COME VIA THE SENSES.

If you say you can't do experimentation on economics the same way you do experimentation in any other science, then you reject empiricism.

[Travis Retriever]

YES. AND THAT MEANS THEY REJECT EMPIRICISM BECAUSE EMPIRICISM ARGUES THAT KNOWLEDGE CAN ONLY COME VIA THE SENSES.

If you say you can't do experimentation on economics the same way you do experimentation in any other science, then you reject empiricism.

Semantic nitpicking.  What, are experiments the ONLY way to get knowledge from the senses?  The predictions it has made don't count when shitstains like him haven't any?

[Travis Retriever]

As for Aldark's comments:

Folks.  Your bodies cannot violate math and physics just to spite/love you.  Get the fuck over yourselves.  If you really believe it can, have a physicist specializing in thermodynamics have a look and measure the stuff to be certain so you both can win a Nobel Prize already; or at least James Randi's Challenge.  But until then, STFU & GTFO.
I'm sick and fucking tired of hearing from people who think they're special, unique, and beautiful snowflakes that not even the laws of physics can 'contain.'