Christians Bug me.

[Atheos5150]

I ran into a christian on deivantart who posted this on his blog here: http://rejecteddreams.deviantart.com/

What if I told you that everyone alive today, everything in the world, and even the universe as we know it, is the result of a giant explosion in space millions(or billions) of years ago? If you said "that sounds a lot like the Big Bang theory"-you would be correct. This is the stuff that fairy tales are made of;but sadly this tall tale is presented as unquestionable concrete fact. Many many people actually believe that they are only here because at some point in time..an unknown amount of material decided to explode.

And then we have the ones who attempt to add God to the equation. They say the all-mighty Creator of the universe used the Big Bang to sort of get things started-and then naturally evolution took over from there. Right? Uh, no. If God did use a giant explosion to kick start His creation...then why doesn't the Bible just say so? The account of creation is written very straight forward in a step-by-step process. God speaks/something happens. It's impossible to mistake a single day in the Bible for millions of years, unless you intentionally want it to be so. Also keep in mind that:

Both the Big Bang and evolution(as in molecules-to-man) cannot actually be repeated, tested, or observed in action.

The Bible says the world was originally created perfect and that violence, disease, and bloodshed came later after the fall of man. The Big Bang puts death, disease, and bloodshed, untold eons before humans ever appeared on this planet.

But both the Big Bang and evolution are fully supported by a lot of Christians.

The fact is, the Big Bang takes away God's power by severely reducing His involvement in creation to nothing more then flipping a switch. Afterwards time and chance take over from there.

Assuming that God actually did use the Big Bang to create the universe and all life, then instead of And God said... and it was there fully formed and working-we now have to wait around for millions of years while everything somehow "evolves" into being.

Which brings up the obvious questions like:

What happened before the Big Bang?
Where did all that "stuff" which exploded come from anyway?
How exactly did this "stuff" floating around in space find other "stuff" that would work in just the right way?
When does something blowing up create order and intelligence?
If God is all-powerful, then why does He require billions of years of random chance and accidents to create life?

Sorry, but the idea that we're all here as the result of a few trillion accidents all working together perfectly the first time is so ridiculous, that I don't even need a Bible to know it could never happen.

I felt my brain leaking out of my ear as I read it.  And I responded with something very simple...

Evolution does not deal with the creation of life, it simply states why creatures are the way they are now.

A simple example, prey that can run the fastest can get away from predators and likewise, the predator that can keep up with the prey will be able to eat and survive until the next time. These traits are passed down to the next generation, until you have modern day antelopes and cheetahs, that can sprint up to 70 mph. Kept in an environment long enough, the creature begins to adapt to it and loose traits that are obsolete, for example the blind moles that live underground their entire life.

AIDS and MRSA are excellent examples of evolution, they both can adapt quickly so that drugs have no effect on them and eventually - not intentionally they kill their host. There is a virus or bacteria in Africa, I can't recall the name, that has adapted so it no longer harms or kills the host. This adaption has happened because those mutation of the virus or bacteria did not kill their host, while other did. And if the food supply dies, in this case the host - it in return kills the virus or bacteria.

This cause and effect is the very definition of evolution. Survival of the fittest.

As far as the 'molecules-to-man' statement, check out what biologist are doing here [link] They are testing and observing the very building blocks of life.

And can I ask you a question? Do you believe in everything the bible says to be concrete? I noticed you quoted it earlier in defense as to why bad things happen to good people.

He responded:

You're asking if I take the Bible literally. Yes, I read the Bible literally-taking into account figures of speech and the context.

Which was what I was looking for:

Do you believe the moon is a light? And that the sky is water? The earth was made in 6 days? That the sun revolves around the earth? That the earth is flat? Who created the wives for Adam & Eve's children? And who is God talking about when he proclaims that Adam has become as one of us? That you should kill a woman who does not scream loud enough when she is raped? That you should kill your mother, father, sister, brother, daughter, son, husband, wife if they stray from the path of God? That woman should be humble and silent in the world of man? That you should not eat unclean animals, those with cloven hooves and shellfish? That those who work on Sunday should be put to death?

I just do not understand why most pick and choose which parts to believe and which parts to disregard? If you choose to believe in the bible...should you not follow it completely? I see no disclaimer in the bible that states it should be taken figuratively, in fact it states just the opposite.

If you haven't had the chance, read through Deuteronomy.

He responded:

I really don't have time to play these games.

And of course I wrote back:

I figured you'd say that.

Have I won this 'debate'? 

[MrBogosity]

It's as good a victory as you'll ever get with people like that.

[Tom S. Fox]

What if I told you that everyone alive today, everything in the world, and even the universe as we know it, is the result of a giant explosion in space millions(or billions) of years ago? If you said "that sounds a lot like the Big Bang theory"-you would be correct. This is the stuff that fairy tales are made of ...

Then:

If God did use a giant explosion to kick start His creation...then why doesn't the Bible just say so? The account of creation is written very straight forward in a step-by-step process. God speaks/something happens.

Seriously, are these people listening to themselves?

[BZ987654]

Then:
Seriously, are these people listening to themselves?

The answer there is no

[BZ987654]

That was a good debate, sadly the christian will never understand what that actually means.

[Atheos5150]

I had recently found that the dude I was talking to must be a Kirk Cameron fan, because in an earlier journal post titled the atheist test: http://rejecteddreams.deviantart.com/journal/21253855/

This is the first part of his post...

Part One:
The person who thinks a Coca-Cola can had no designer is:
A. Intelligent.
B. A fool.
C. Has an ulterior motive for denying the obvious.

I replied:

You're one of those Kirk Cameron Fans huh? Who think the Banana is proof of God's existence. LMAO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z-OLG0KyR4

Yesterday was the FIRST time I had seen that, I just laughed my ass off for a good 10 minutes. I don't think Texas could even legally execute Cameron....I think their cut off point is a 70 IQ.

[MrBogosity]

Except that the banana was Ray Comfort. It's still hilarious, though.

There was a radio interview where he tried to explain it away as a joke that evolutionists don't get.

[IceSage]

Except that the banana was Ray Comfort. It's still hilarious, though.

There was a radio interview where he tried to explain it away as a joke that evolutionists don't get.

I like how after he's embarrassed about it, he covers it up as a "joke."

I guess what Ray meant was the Peanut Butter example instead... That's much more convincing...

[MrBogosity]

The peanut butter thing was from someone else, in that stupid Janet Folger video.

[IceSage]

The peanut butter thing was from someone else, in that stupid Janet Folger video.

Yeah, I know. Kent Hovind and friends beat him to it. =P

[Tom S. Fox]

I fucking hate Ray Comfort! He is an idiot but fancies himself a genius!

Here is a quote from him:

Darwin theorized that mankind (both male and female) evolved alongside each other over millions of years, both reproducing after their own kind before the ability to physically have sex evolved. They did this through "asexuality" ("without sexual desire or activity or lacking any apparent sex or sex organs"). Each of them split in half ("Asexual organisms reproduce by fission (splitting in half)." Ask A Scientist, Biology Archive, http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/bio99/bio99927.htm.)

[BZ987654]

The peanut butter thing was from someone else, in that stupid Janet Folger video.

Chuck Missler, he is quite the retard

[BZ987654]

I fucking hate Ray Comfort! He is an idiot but fancies himself a genius!

Here is a quote from him:

That quote makes no sense what so ever, but coming from Ray Comfort I expect nothing less.

[Atheos5150]

I fucking hate Ray Comfort! He is an idiot but fancies himself a genius!

Here is a quote from him:

That is just INSANE.  It does bring up a good question about how genders did come into existence.  Is there a theory out there other then Ray Comforts?  lol