Fail Quotes

[MrBogosity]

Because you are a vile, human degenerate who enjoys the sight of misery and anguish while helping himself to another spoon of baby seal?

Absolutely not! Baby seals should be barbecued, not stewed! Come on, we're not barbarians here...

[MrBogosity]

"Because guns don't get you high?" --A guy on David Gorski's Facebook page, in response to my question as to why gun prohibition would work any better than drug prohibition.

[Gumba Masta]

These ladies beg to differ. 

[Travis Retriever]

Everything said by bdf2718 on this video's comment section:

Some fun examples:

"Most libertarians are naive, ignorant and deluded. The rest, like the Koch brothers, are fucking liars trying to implement a plutarchy and using the rest of the libertarians as tools.

It's a story we've seen over and over. Only the names and the fairy tales justifying plutarchy change. Communism. Fascism. Catholicism (during the Dark ages, particularly)."
(Nevermind that everything he lists there is an example of a huge government something we are all opposed to by definition...)

After being called out by LTH:
"Oh my. I have never before seen anybody straw-man me by stating the diametric opposite of what I said.

You a sock-puppet of Virgil0211? Nah, you can't be. As trolls go that was very creative."
(Pot.  Kettle.  Black.)

And corrected by me:
"I'd agree with you that pointing out a logical conclusion of one of my points is not a straw man. But that's not what he did. He invented something I did not say. To be charitable he inferred something I did not say. Then he criticised what I did not say. That's straw-manning.

If you look closely you'll even see me criticising the Koch-supported fascism that LTH accuses me of supporting."
From there I got into a scuffle with him that I was way too tired and burned out from school to handle.
Basically, him demanding that I support the claim that he believed/used/whatever the definition of the government as I used it.

Never mind the fact that words have meanings and just because he 'thinks' government means what it does doesn't mean that's what it is...
I don't care what 'his' definition of government is, the reality is that government is a monopoly on the initiation of violence.  Words have meaning.  If I say the 'n-word' spelled out, does it matter how 'I' define it, or does it matter the reality of what it entails?  Same with any other word?  None of his smug-self-righteous bullshit will ever change that.

Unless he's literally talking about another universe or some nonsense.


So yeah...I HATE losing debates like this, especially when involving bullshit semantics with smug-asses like him. >_<

[Travis Retriever]

And as promised: 

Panpiper:  Copyright violation is not a crime of theft, it is more analogous to a crime of trespass.
I create a video, which I sell access to online. If it is copied and freely distributed by anyone, I cannot sell access to it. Being unable to profit from it, I cannot continue to create videos. The end result is that I do 'not' create videos. An absolute abrogation of the concept of intellectual property will virtually destroy certain kinds of art.
(Yet he never explains WHY copyright violation is like trespass...or at least does so in a very non-sequitur way)

Me:  For your benefit: mises.org/daily/5025 ("The Fight against Intellectual Property" by Jacob H. Huebert)


Panpiper:  Yes, I am familiar with those arguments, and I am not just unpersuaded; I believe a subsection of libertarianism is being led by the nose straight towards IP socialism with collectivist, utilitarian arguments. A film maker investing millions of their labor and capital into creating a work does not automatically have their work become the collective property of all man kind, simply because it was combined with bits instead of atoms. Socialism destroys that which it would steal.
(Yet you don't REFUTE any of those arguments.  Kind of a big deal there, asshole.)

Me:  Just because someone doesn't have a government granted monopoly of something (IP) doesn't mean he can't sell it, or profit from it. Nor does it mean that innovation can't occur, as the fashion industry and the article linked show.

How about this: mises.org/daily/3631 ("The Fallacy of Intellectual Property" by Daniel Krawisz)

Panpiper:  @vspqbd I cannot compete with free. If I make a video and try to sell it, while others are giving my work away for free, it is quite impossible to earn my investment back. You call it a government granted monopoly. I call it my property, which they simply protect as any, because it is the direct result of my own labor and capital. That others should have the 'right' to copy it, to distribute it, to sell it even, without compensating me for my own investment of labor and capital, is outrageous.

(So it's OK for you to make utilitarian arguments, but the second I make them I'm a 'socialist'? Even though "IP" involves the violation of property rights by definition AND requires, much like socialism an omnipotent state to enforce?  Fuck you, asshole.)

VectorM I didn't forgot (in case you or anyone else were wondering), I've just been up to my forehead in projects for school and only recently got the strength to even try. @_@

I should mention this corporatist fucktard gets his ass handed to him by truthadvocate and selfrealizedexile.
Here's the link again, since for some reason the one I provided didn't work:  http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?threaded=1&v=PVusj2a0pzg

[Travis Retriever]

From the comments of this video:  [yt]uUtZzXYH8BM[/yt]

"The truth is we humans have been eating 'fats', and of course fresh fruits and veg's(high in vitamins) since the cavemans arrived. Since agriculture arrived, planting grains high in calories and carbs, people started to gain diseases. Well, my point is, the message about 'good fats' and 'bad fats', its all a myth, there is no such thing.

In America almost all of the population have cars, almost all of us eat junk, and almost all of us DO NOT EXERCISE." --tuberman890

Because as we all know, disease didn't exist before agriculture, right?
*rolls eyes*

[MrBogosity]

I believe Jacob pointed this out, but the reason why we started getting more diseases at that point was that we were living long enough to get them.

It's kind of like when UHC nutbars point out how many more cases of cancer and Alzheimers we get as opposed to the UK (like the NHS has some miracle cure for these or something). It's simply because seniors in the US live longer, and thus have a greater chance of getting them.

[Travis Retriever]

Yup, it was in that same video too.

Speaking of Health Care, I find lifestyle and murder rates to make a difference as well.
Hence, I'm feeling bittersweet about this video:  [yt]elawIWbhrVc[/yt]

"rule of thumb" doesn't mean, 'definition' or 'absolute certain rule' it just means a rule with broad application that is not intended to be strictly accurate or reliable for every situation; a guideline.  Also, I almost face-palmed when he mentioned the point about health care being the reason why some countries have better life expectancies than others.  To an extend, but then he doesn't consider the USA one of them, despite us having among the best (albeit expensive) health care on the planet.
Of course it would be even better if it wasn't such a corporatist/socialist clusterfuck, but then, we all knew that.

Also, despite the good work he does regarding anti-vegan videos, this isn't one of his better videos on the subject, as are the ones defending the state (he's an admitted socialist...he's using property, and yet he finds people who use self detonating arguments stupid...interesting).

[MrBogosity]

What you need to look at is the life expectancy of the group: of those over 65 (that is, of those who don't die due to other factors like accidents or crime), how long do they live? And we're one of the best countries in the world in that regard.

[Travis Retriever]

Indeed.

But there's more:

“causing all kinds of preventable conditions in humans like heart disease, obesity, type 2 diabetes and many forms of cancer”

According only to D.Ornish and other such ‘luminaries’ and mostly found in trials that other either couldnt reproduce, was purely analytical (copy paste science) in nature, based on questionaries or which showed not to disciminate between other foods and that more than anything else, wheat and processed sugar was singled out as a culprit since everywhere meat was in the shit people eat, wheat, soy and sugar was right there with it. The lipid hypothesis that have served hypocritical vegan promoters that pose as scientists so well has fallen a part completely.

Late last year teams at Copenhagen university isolated the gene that controls LDL (the bad kind) cholesterol in our body. Thats the good news, we have the culprit. The bad news is that it is a lottery. Some people can gorge on saturated fat, smoke cigars and drink whiskey every day of all their life and be fit is a weasel untill they die at age 100. While others can eat the most pristine foods and drink only holy water from tibet and drop dead from a heart attach at age 45. The fact remains, it is as good 100% out of your control. But exercise seem to do a lot of a difference as does mainting muscle volume throughout life. These are facts! --Homo Carnivorous, http://anarchyinyourhead.com/2011/02/23/vegan-diet-2/

Quite a bit wrong with both of those, really...

[VectorM]

By this idiot TheUSMetalhead, in the comments of this video:


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Legalize prostitution, about the dumbest idea I can think of.

What that very first guy asked is the issue, legalization will allow pimps to safely engage in slavery and human trafficking. This goof from Carson City is the owner of a well known establishment, the only kind in America, he's a horrible example of what really happens in this world.

Libertarians are mostly good folks who have more in common with progressives like me than any other movement, but they're ignorant on social issues.

[Lord T Hawkeye]

Yeah, cause everyone knows how safe prostition is right now thanks to the laws...

What is WITH this mentality of "If we remove law X, tragedy Y will occur.  Yeah...Y is already occuring anyway but that doesn't count!"?  You really have to try to be that anti-emperical.

[MrBogosity]

Statists chain up a dog and never let him run, which of course causes the dog to become vicious. They then say, "See how vicious that dog is? You see now why I have to keep him chained!"

[Gumba Masta]

Maybe it's just but... doesn't Stossel sound like he has at least one Bourbon per comercial break?

[MrBogosity]

He has a speech impediment that he struggles with.