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April 21, 2010, 08:19:52 PM #165
I made the statement that statism has proven to be unsustainable saying "Numbers don't lie.  What cannot mathematically continue, will not continue" and was met with this gem...

QuoteIt's testament to how little you understand of macroeconomics and... well, mathematics, that you can believe any part of this. Numbers *do* lie, all the time, because they're badly sourced, and debt can continue to grow so long as potential value grows at the same pace. Which it probably does, in long term trends. little stock market crashes and depressions happen all the time, but on the whole, the world economy keeps getting worth more and more, and debt continues to increase alongside it. That's how a capitalist market creates momentum and profitable ventures. Debt will ALWAYS increase, it's actually a sign of a healthy economy. Of course, there are bits of debt that are rather bad, but on the whole, saying the economy is terrible because it's in debt shows an utter lack of knowledge about how capitalism works on a grand scale.

Debt is a sign of a healthy economy?  Well gee, maybe I should go on a shopping spree with my credit card and improve my own personal economy!
I recently heard that the word heretic is derived from the greek work heriticos which means "able to choose"
The more you know...
April 21, 2010, 08:22:24 PM #166
"...and debt continues to increase alongside it. That's how a capitalist market creates momentum and profitable ventures."
*Facepalms*
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537
April 22, 2010, 03:16:25 AM #167
I consider my self to be a capitalist newb in general, but DEAR GOD WAS THAT STUPID!
April 23, 2010, 01:23:27 AM #168
He goes on with this when challenged.

QuoteNo, because of what I outlined. Listen.

Man has $100. He wants to start a business. He borrows $500 (what the bank will allow based on his existing money), and starts the business. He uses the venture capital to generate profits, paying his debts. He's now worth $600. He could just sit there and continue to make a bit of money, but why do that? he can now borrow 6 times that amount from the bank, so he borrows $3000, and invests it in the same way, growing his business to the point where it can efficiently pay off his debts. He makes the 3000 dollars back. He's now worth 3000 dollars, and why not just keep going? he can now borrow $15000. He is now 30 times more in debt than he was when he first borrowed, but the debt is sustainable because he is worth more. Read my post, I said that

"the world economy keeps getting worth more and more, and debt continues to increase alongside it. That's how a capitalist market creates momentum and profitable ventures. Debt will ALWAYS increase, it's actually a sign of a healthy economy"

I hope this makes more sense with the given example.

Have some more rope...
I recently heard that the word heretic is derived from the greek work heriticos which means "able to choose"
The more you know...
April 23, 2010, 09:56:50 AM #169
Uh...what exactly happens if he CAN"T make more money than he borrowed?
April 23, 2010, 10:30:26 AM #170
Well to use a technical term... if he only borrows 500 bucks he's fucked.
If he borrows 10 million, the banks will ask him if he needs some more.
April 23, 2010, 03:35:53 PM #171
QuoteHow many Libertarians does it take to change a light bulb?
None. If you just leave it alone and get out of the way, the free market will take care of it."
--Etimos, source

Do I even have to explain this one?
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537
April 23, 2010, 04:00:40 PM #172
Good heavens no!
You know that explaining it ruins every joke.
April 27, 2010, 09:41:37 PM #173
"The free market is not perfect, it is an ideal. Like communism it is a beautiful idea that can't exist in the real world.

Communism ignores the affects of greed to achieve a perfect society. Free Marketism ignores the affects of fraud and force."--SpamSpamNEggs
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537
April 29, 2010, 03:05:20 AM #174
"But it [paying taxes] is common sense, unless you want your economy and infrastructure to go down the shit hole." --Encyclopedia Dramatica article on "Zeitgeist - The Movie"

1.  "Appeal to common sense" is a fallacy.
2.  Broken Window Fallacy + argument from adverse consequences.
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537
April 29, 2010, 07:17:38 PM #175
I have to ask, what is the basis for this "Without taxes there will be chaos" claim anyway?  Can these people point to one case where a society had no taxes and it didn't work out?
I recently heard that the word heretic is derived from the greek work heriticos which means "able to choose"
The more you know...
May 02, 2010, 08:43:07 PM #176
On this video:  [yt]urASFJClhdI[/yt]

I made this comment: " /watch?v=ftd-AiOz_Kl ("Understanding Liberty: Answering My Critics " by FlowCell)"

To which the video's uploader responded with:
Quote@Surhotchaperchlorome I appreciate the sentiment of the video and agree with most of the conclusions, but I don't see how "all men are created equal" can be accepted axiomatically. I also think whether or not rights are objective is beside the point. As the video illustrates, what matters is whether or not people believe in those rights. Thus I think the argument for human rights should be out of empathy and potential benefit, not that they are objectively true, since that's hard to prove.
--Stargazer5781

Sheesh, talk about missing the point...
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537
May 03, 2010, 02:06:13 AM #177
Fringeelements is great at politics but I wish he'd think a little harder about his moral nihilism position because I really don't think he gets the full implications of that stance.

To be a moral nihilist, you cannot correct or object to anyone's behavior.  As soon as you do so, you're not a moral nihilist anymore.

QuoteI don't know if every single one, but the major moral codes were said to be prescribed by god. This was how they bridged the is-ought gap, with god.
Morality is subjective like god is subjective. An "ought" cannot exist, and the use of oughts in language is not proof of one any more than using "the mind" is proof of mind-body dualism.
No, you don't need morality to appeal to subjective value. Why are you people still doing this? This is so simple.

This was said AFTER I stated that the golden rule predates organized religion and the state by centuries.  I really wish he'd rethink this position because it's hurting his credibility.

Oh yeah...he states this in another comment...

QuoteNo, the state does not respect the individual, all acts of state are acts of war. A state is a person or persons who claim an area and say you have to do X or force will be applied to you until you obey.

This sounds a lot like an appeal to morality to me...
I recently heard that the word heretic is derived from the greek work heriticos which means "able to choose"
The more you know...
May 05, 2010, 08:16:03 PM #178
Self explanatory: [yt]oAfzmm6ZvZ4&feature=player_embedded[/yt]
May 06, 2010, 03:49:40 AM #179 Last Edit: May 07, 2010, 12:10:56 AM by surhotchaperchlorome
"If you think global warming is man made you might be a fucking moron. Water vapor is by far the biggest greenhouse gas yet people only concentrate on CO2! This is just another bullshit bogeyman to scare you into giving up liberty and your money. If they don't get you with this they try terrorists, guns, immigrants, gays, trans fat, etc. And if global warming is man-made, then try to find some solution that doesn't involve forcing peoples' hands and drastically lowering their quality of life!"-- Militant-Mike1, on OKCupid.com

Only the bold part is the fail quote.
I do agree that if global warming is man-made, that that does NOT justify using the state to try to stop it.
Voluntarism >> Statism.
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537
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