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Started by Travis Retriever, October 17, 2009, 03:00:20 PM

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QuoteAs ISIS slaughters its way though Syria and Iraq, it became inevitable that we'd hear from apologists who claim that ISIS is not in fact "true Islam," and that its depredations are due to something other than religious motivation. Those motivations, say the apologists, are political (usually Western colonialism that engenders resentment), cultural (societal tradition), or anything other than religion.

These apologists, of course, which now include President Obama, are motivated by a desire to avoid criticizing religion at all costs—especially Islam. In America, criticizing religion is political suicide, and Obama naturally wants to do all he can to encourage "moderate" Muslims. As Sam Harris concluded on a post on his website, some "scholars and pseudo-scholars" cling to a ludicrous notion that the actions of jihadis like those of ISIS aren't motivated by religion. As he noted: "experts claim that one can't take Islamists and jihadists at their word: Their incessant declarations about God, paradise, martyrdom, and the evils of apostasy are nothing more than a mask concealing their real motivations."

The apologists are also motivated by another form of denial. Yes, they say, jihadis may be motivated by Islam, but it's not "true" Islam. True Islam is peaceful, and its adherents would never slaughter apostates, behead journalists, or forcibly convert non-Muslims. This is what Obama said the other night when explaining his plan to dismantle ISIS (or "ISIL," as he calls it):

Personally, I don't give a single fuck about whether they're "True Muslims" or whatever, but the fact remains that Western foreign policies DO play a fucking role in the actions of these people. You watch your family get blown to smithereens by foreign bombers and see how you react.

"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537

https://twitter.com/Huscoon/status/516998767745445888
I hate when people pull out the "patriarchy" excuse for the pay gap stuff...while ignoring the pay gap isn't a thing once you control for other factors, and then try to act like those two: profits and patriarchy aren't mutually exclusive.
And then the pillock tries to link me to some feminist literature talking about how capitalism and patriarchy is about partnership.  What a tool.
As I tried to explain to him, if the pay gap were a thing, it would be WAY too profitable to break ranks.
Needless to say, I'm not going to read that conspiracy feminist garbage.

Even if I don't convince him, at least I'll get the info out.  Also, something he posted that needs to be in this thread as well:

http://www.notsorryfeminism.com/2014/08/mocking-mras-is-easy-real-sexism.html
Bitch, please.

"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537

September 30, 2014, 02:30:44 PM #6678 Last Edit: September 30, 2014, 02:46:29 PM by R.E.H.W.R.
http://www.cracked.com/article_20082_6-insane-stereotypes-that-movies-cant-seem-to-get-over_p2.html
#1. Seriously, In Fantasy Movies, Everyone Has to Be White.
Hey assholes! Most western fantasy movies are based on European medieval history. There weren't many black people in medieval europe.
And Game of Thrones is partially based on the War of the Roses, so of course the cast are going to be white.
"The more laws and order are made prominent, the more thieves and robbers there will be."
Lao Tzu

Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 30, 2014, 02:30:44 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_20082_6-insane-stereotypes-that-movies-cant-seem-to-get-over_p2.html
#1. Seriously, In Fantasy Movies, Everyone Has to Be White.
Hey assholes! Most western fantasy movies are based on European medieval history. There weren't many black people in medieval europe.
And Game of Thrones is partially based on the War of the Roses, so of course the cast are going to be white.

And you just know that if the (mostly white, incidentally) Hollywood types decided to try making fantasy films based on other cultures, where it would be appropriate to have a non-white cast, there would be the cry of 'cultural appropriation!'

Quote from: evensgrey on September 30, 2014, 04:40:25 PM
And you just know that if the (mostly white, incidentally) Hollywood types decided to try making fantasy films based on other cultures, where it would be appropriate to have a non-white cast, there would be the cry of 'cultural appropriation!'
^This.
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537

Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on September 30, 2014, 02:30:44 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_20082_6-insane-stereotypes-that-movies-cant-seem-to-get-over_p2.html
#1. Seriously, In Fantasy Movies, Everyone Has to Be White.
Hey assholes! Most western fantasy movies are based on European medieval history. There weren't many black people in medieval europe.
And Game of Thrones is partially based on the War of the Roses, so of course the cast are going to be white.

I guess if you arbitrarily don't define martial arts movies like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon as fantasy, even though they absolutely are.

And the Harry Potter movies had MUCH more than the "token black kid," such as Cho Chang (aborted love interest for Harry) and the Patil twins.

Plus, Britain in the 1990s was over 90% white.

If Africa had a Hollywood, you'd see a lot of black people in their movies folks.
I recently heard that the word heretic is derived from the greek work heriticos which means "able to choose"
The more you know...

Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on October 01, 2014, 07:25:57 AM
If Africa had a Hollywood, you'd see a lot of black people in their movies folks.

In India they do have a Hollywood (in fact, they make more movies and TV shows in Mumbai that they do in Hollywood), and European-looking people only appear in things set in the recent past where they are European characters.

Quote from: evensgrey on October 01, 2014, 08:14:35 AM
In India they do have a Hollywood (in fact, they make more movies and TV shows in Mumbai that they do in Hollywood), and European-looking people only appear in things set in the recent past where they are European characters.
Yup.  Called Bollywood IIRC.
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537

Quote from: evensgrey on October 01, 2014, 08:14:35 AM
In India they do have a Hollywood (in fact, they make more movies and TV shows in Mumbai that they do in Hollywood), and European-looking people only appear in things set in the recent past where they are European characters.
Its only racist when white people do it.
"The more laws and order are made prominent, the more thieves and robbers there will be."
Lao Tzu

Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on October 01, 2014, 04:36:22 PM
Its only racist when white people do it.

That seems to be a long-standing criterion.

Quote from: MrBogosity on October 01, 2014, 05:05:03 PM
That seems to be a long-standing criterion.
Natch.
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537


Quote from: D on October 02, 2014, 07:04:05 AM

Just like how the NHS made all healthcare free! That solved all their problems! Right?
Oh wait...
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537