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Podcast for 21 July 2014

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July 20, 2014, 04:00:58 PM
[mp3]http://podcast.bogosity.tv/mp3s/BogosityPodcast-2014-07-21.mp3[/mp3]


Co-Host: Daniel Wilcox

News of the Bogus:
22:02 - Biggest Bogon Emitter: Damon Linker http://theweek.com/article/index/264546/how-liberalism-became-an-intolerant-dogma

30:15 - Idiot Extraordinaire: Mike Dawson http://mikedawwwson.tumblr.com/post/91854168921/santrevl-hound-actual-armedplatypus
This Week's Quote: "Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right—a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people that can may revolutionize and make their own of so much of the territory as they inhabit. More than this, a majority of any portion of such people may revolutionize, putting down a minority, intermingled with or near about them, who may oppose this movement." —Abraham Lincoln
July 20, 2014, 06:25:18 PM #1
Even with the UK apparently not counting all the crimes that are known about in their official statistics, the violent crime rate in the UK is still four times that of the US.  (It's also a third higher than the violent crime rate in Canada, which has had a higher violent crime rate than the US for at least the last 45 years.  This also corresponds to when Canada placed more restrictions on long guns than the US.  Canada has always had greater restrictions on hand guns than the US.  And if anyone attempts to use Canada as an example of a place where gun control didn't lead to tyranny, you can point out that this is only true because gun control was started here by the tyrannical Family Compact as a means of (ultimately, unsuccessfully) inhibiting rebellion.)
July 20, 2014, 07:55:38 PM #2 Last Edit: July 21, 2014, 02:13:11 AM by Skm1091
Quote from: evensgrey on July 20, 2014, 06:25:18 PM
Even with the UK apparently not counting all the crimes that are known about in their official statistics, the violent crime rate in the UK is still four times that of the US.  (It's also a third higher than the violent crime rate in Canada, which has had a higher violent crime rate than the US for at least the last 45 years.  This also corresponds to when Canada placed more restrictions on long guns than the US.  Canada has always had greater restrictions on hand guns than the US.  And if anyone attempts to use Canada as an example of a place where gun control didn't lead to tyranny, you can point out that this is only true because gun control was started here by the tyrannical Family Compact as a means of (ultimately, unsuccessfully) inhibiting rebellion.)

Speaking of the UK I found something here that you might want to read.

http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.org/2013/12/murder-and-homicide-rates-before-and-after-gun-bans/

They also seem to forget that there are nations with stricter gun laws with even higher murder rates. For example Mexico.

When ever I use this example they say that it is because Mexico is 3rd World Country and they are bordering US with lots of guns and that Mexico is not like say the UK, Australia or Canada.

This argument doesn't work either because there is one developed country that have even stricter gun laws than UK Canada or Australia and  have even higher murder rate and guess what it's an ISLAND as well. What is this country's name? It's TAIWAN.

TAIWAN (Republic of China) with a rate of 3.0/100000 Compared to UKs rate of 1.0/100000, AUs rate of 1.1/100000, and Canada's rate of 1.6/10000. and at one point Taiwans murder rate was even higher than the current US rate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compareyears/180/rate_of_homicide_any_method

And you have to known the homicide rates in undeveloped countries vary widely. For example Yemens gun laws are not as strict as Jamaica's and its homicide is far lower.
July 21, 2014, 08:06:45 AM #3
Quote from: Skm1091 on July 20, 2014, 07:55:38 PM
Speaking of the UK I found something here that you might want to read.

http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.org/2013/12/murder-and-homicide-rates-before-and-after-gun-bans/

They also seem to forget that there are nations with stricter gun laws with even higher murder rates. For example Mexico.

When ever I use this example they say that it is because Mexico is 3rd World Country and they are bordering US with lots of guns and that Mexico is not like say the UK, Australia or Canada.

This argument doesn't work either because there is one developed country that have even stricter gun laws than UK Canada or Australia and  have even higher murder rate and guess what it's an ISLAND as well. What is this country's name? It's TAIWAN.

TAIWAN (Republic of China) with a rate of 3.0/100000 Compared to UKs rate of 1.0/100000, AUs rate of 1.1/100000, and Canada's rate of 1.6/10000. and at one point Taiwans murder rate was even higher than the current US rate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compareyears/180/rate_of_homicide_any_method

And you have to known the homicide rates in undeveloped countries vary widely. For example Yemens gun laws are not as strict as Jamaica's and its homicide is far lower.

I was aware that murder rates increased in the UK after their gun ban, but I wasn't aware it was so dramatic an increase.  I did know that violent crime in general had gone through the roof in the last couple of decades (sort of my point, of course), but I attributed it to an increased rate of the kind of social breakdown that Thatcher's policies had slowed back in the early 80's, and the fact the police in the UK are lazy, crazy, and not all that competent to begin with.  (The notion that you cannot do anything about crime when you've got enough surveillance cameras to monitor all public spaces at all times from multiple angles and enough police to actively monitor them in real time in London, where half the cameras in the whole county are, is simply ludicrous.  The Metropolitan London Police, for instance, have twice the number of officers per capita that is the norm in any city in any other English-speaking country.)

I'd previously seen the rather embarrassing (for victim disarmament activists, that is) data on Jamaica, including that fact that police don't dare wear any portion of their uniform while off duty for fear of being murdered for their service weapon and ammunition, and that armed suspects are almost never taken alive, and usually die of gunshot wounds clearly inflicted while they had their arms raised in a traditional surrender pose.

It is also not just murder rates that vary wildly, with no clear pattern, between apparently similar countries.  Scopolamine (a sedative used for many purposes, but most widely known in popular culture as a relatively mild psychiatric sedative) can be isolated from a number of native plants in North and South America.  In Columbia, a form relatively easily extracted from a fairly common tree is used to drug people because it both inhibits them from remembering what happened under its' influence and renders them highly tractable, making them easy prey for rapists, pimps, and thieves looking to empty their bank accounts.  In at least one neighboring country (which one I don't recall), Scopolamine is unknown for these purposes and is a traditional herbal sleep aid.

Taiwan, of course, is a place of astonishing violence, including in places where we in the West never expect to see it.  One notable place is their legislature, which has been so bad at times that it has been called 'legislative brawling' by the Taiwanese.  Things have calmed down in the last few years (following a particularly vicious fight that put several people in hospital) and the legislators don't physically attack one another any more, but there were multiple instances each year for many years before that.  When I did some checking on the prevalence of violence among legislators, the most recent incident I could find outside of Taiwan was in the early 70's in the UK.  You're more likely to have someone unconnected with a legislature attack one with a submachine gun (a deranged Canadian soldier did this in Quebec City, Quebec in 1984, killing 3 and wounding 13, see http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/tragic-attack-on-national-assembly-to-be-commemorated-1.1810851).
July 21, 2014, 05:10:27 PM #4
Quote from: evensgrey on July 21, 2014, 08:06:45 AM
I'd previously seen the rather embarrassing (for victim disarmament activists, that is) data on Jamaica, including that fact that police don't dare wear any portion of their uniform while off duty for fear of being murdered for their service weapon and ammunition, and that armed suspects are almost never taken alive, and usually die of gunshot wounds clearly inflicted while they had their arms raised in a traditional surrender pose.

I heard Brazil is the same way. I'm not sure about Puerto Rico though. Getting a gun licence is those places are hard I heard.
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