PZ Myers fail: "Maybe this will finally drive the libertarians out of atheism"

[BlameThe1st]

I'm not an atheist, so this doesn't really apply to me. I think you lot should probably get a look at this:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/12/28/maybe-this-will-finally-drive-the-libertarians-out-of-atheism/

"There's no profit in atheism!"? I don't know. Dawkins seems to have made a living off of his atheist screed "The God Delusion" and that goes for every New Atheist author and YT atheist. Heck, I'm sure PZ Myers here makes a very comfortable living off of the ad revenue from having one of the most popular atheist blogs.

[dallen68]

I'm not an atheist, so this doesn't really apply to me. I think you lot should probably get a look at this:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/12/28/maybe-this-will-finally-drive-the-libertarians-out-of-atheism/

"There's no profit in atheism!"? I don't know. Dawkins seems to have made a living off of his atheist screed "The God Delusion" and that goes for every New Atheist author and YT atheist. Heck, I'm sure PZ Myers here makes a very comfortable living off of the ad revenue from having one of the most popular atheist blogs.

There's no inherent profit in libertarianism either.

[Travis Retriever]

I'm not an atheist, so this doesn't really apply to me. I think you lot should probably get a look at this:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/12/28/maybe-this-will-finally-drive-the-libertarians-out-of-atheism/

"There’s no profit in atheism!"? I don't know. Dawkins seems to have made a living off of his atheist screed "The God Delusion" and that goes for every New Atheist author and YT atheist. Heck, I'm sure PZ Myers here makes a very comfortable living off of the ad revenue from having one of the most popular atheist blogs.

I haven't read "The God Delusion" (I'd like to get it someday though), but I don't get people calling it a screed.  If the bits Shane quoted in his videos are any indicator, Dawkins is actually rather civil in it.
Also, >>Freethoughtblogs
Oh gods.  I remember these hacks.  Someone left a comment on Shane's first "Atheism & Libertarianism" video claiming they made parallels with the free market to that of theism (CUZ DEY WORSHIP DUH FREE MARKET!!!!1111?) And yeah, they do know that libertarianism; or free markets for that matter aren't just about profits, right?  Or for that matter, that profits are just maximizing your own happiness?  I need to find that win quote made by Hawkeye on the subject...

[MrBogosity]

I'm not an atheist, so this doesn't really apply to me. I think you lot should probably get a look at this:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/12/28/maybe-this-will-finally-drive-the-libertarians-out-of-atheism/

All you need to see the fail is "Free Thought Blogs."

Funny that they make that ridiculous claim about profit, since pretty much every atheist ever has made the argument that they don't have to incur monetary expenses such as tithing and time expenses like praying or going to church, etc.

[MrBogosity]

I'm not an atheist, so this doesn't really apply to me. I think you lot should probably get a look at this:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/12/28/maybe-this-will-finally-drive-the-libertarians-out-of-atheism/

By the way, it seems I'm still blocked, so could someone else post this to the comments for me and let us know the reaction?

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[Travis Retriever]

By the way, it seems I'm still blocked, so could someone else post this to the comments for me and let us know the reaction?

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I'm registering there as I type. :3

I'm also going to include that quote Hawkeye made of it being hypocritical to speak of profit as if it's a dirty word.

[MrBogosity]

I'm registering there as I type. :3

I'm also going to include that quote Hawkeye made of it being hypocritical to speak of profit as if it's a dirty word.

Fail of a response: "It can and is a dirty word. Health care costs would go down, and coverage up, for the same monies without PROFIT. Government coverage at cost. Think about that before you show your ignorance...."

Answer: We already have!

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[Travis Retriever]

Fail of a response: "It can and is a dirty word. Health care costs would go down, and coverage up, for the same monies without PROFIT. Government coverage at cost. Think about that before you show your ignorance…."

Answer: We already have!

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The guy who keeps responding is freakin' hilarious.  He calls what I posted by Roderick T Long "from propaganda sites" (despite him citing his sources) and to use Google Scholar.  He says libertarianism is "just fuck you, I've got mine" along with what you pointed out.

[nilecroc]

Fail of a response: "It can and is a dirty word. Health care costs would go down, and coverage up, for the same monies without PROFIT. Government coverage at cost. Think about that before you show your ignorance...."

Answer: We already have!

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The real fail here is his atrocious grammar.

[MrBogosity]

I'm registering there as I type. :3

I'm also going to include that quote Hawkeye made of it being hypocritical to speak of profit as if it's a dirty word.

Aww, he wants us to use Google Scholar.

Okay: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=unemployment+%22minimum+wage%22+author:%22david+neumark%22&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5

[Travis Retriever]

Aww, he wants us to use Google Scholar.

Okay: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=unemployment+%22minimum+wage%22+author:%22david+neumark%22&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5

Posted. :3
You're following this too, I see.  Though I assume he was referring to posting a source from Google Scholar instead of the bit from Roderick T Long (why? He cites his sources).

[MrBogosity]

Split to a new topic.

Notice the burden-shifting: "And you are wrong until you show you are right with evidence."

[Travis Retriever]

Split to a new topic.

Notice the burden-shifting: "And you are wrong until you show you are right with evidence."

Yeah.  My personal fav was when he said that videos aren't evidence...in a blog entry where the body IS a video.
That or when he posts an article saying that "this is why we need Canada's healthcare system to get profit out of the system and to reduce administrative costs."

[nilecroc]

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1093/ei/40.3.315/abstract;jsessionid=C9F9381066416A77D4293EE06A8C86FB.f01t04?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false

Abstract:"We present evidence on the effects of minimum wages on family incomes. The results indicate that minimum wages increase both the probability that poor families escape poverty and the probability that previously nonpoor families fall into poverty. The estimated increase in the flow into poverty is larger, although this difference is not statistically significant. We also find that minimum wages tend to boost the incomes of poor families that remain below the poverty line. On net, the various trade-offs created by minimum wage increases more closely resemble income redistribution among low-income families than income redistribution from high- to low-income families."

So it's actually a redistribution scheme.

[dallen68]

Yeah.  My personal fav was when he said that videos aren't evidence...in a blog entry where the body IS a video.

Tell him that videos aren't evidence, either are white papers, lectures, magazine articles, nursery rhymes, radio talk shows, blog posts, or studies by ivy league universities. Each of these things is a medium of communication, the evidence is the content conveyed by the medium, not the medium itself. Also, his name kinda tells you he's there to jerk people's chain.