Fail Quotes

[Skm1091]

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54321gem says:

Violent crimes are going down because of Roe vs Wade, that has nothing to do with guns.However, gun deaths are still 30,000 a year.WELL OVER any civilized country that has actual gun control, even after adjusting for population difference.The assualt weapons ban bill was ineffective because it wasnt really an assault weapons ban.It banned almost nothing at all. However, any country that does real gun control (See australia) sees a major drop in gun deaths. What a terrible manipulative video.

My response to him.

That 30,000 figure includes suicides and accidents. Sorry but suicides and accidents are NOT crimes. They are acts of stupidity and irresponsibility but they are not crimes.
Are you concerned about gun deaths only? That is cherry picking at it's finest! So if a person is killed by a bat or knife it doesn't count?! Wow
So the fuck what?! New Zealand's gun laws are nowhere near as strict as Australia's and their homicide rate is even LOWER. Australia is 1.0 and NZ is 0.9

He/she then responses.

Are 30,000 people killed by bats each year, even if you include people who commit suicide by beating themselves over the head with a bat? Didn't think so.

Notice he still used this flawed stat. He still thinks that accidents and suicides should count as crimes when they are just acts of stupidity and desperation. He did not even address my New Zealand point. If he wants to include accidents people die more automobile accidents. If you want to include suicide then japan has a higher rate of suicide than the US, even tho getting a gun is harder than even Australia

[BlameThe1st]

The fail isn't the infograph, but rather what it covers, which are the highest-paid public employees, most of which are athletic coaches:



I'm sorry, but why the SQUEE are we spending obscene amounts of taxpayer money to instruct a legion of Neanderthals to kick a ball around? It's madness! And not March Madness.

[Ibrahim90]

because that is what sells....

[R.E.H.W.R.]

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adasand21 in the comments is a complete moron.
Apparently, opposing the government's use of drones but, being pro gun makes you a hypocrite.

[Travis Retriever]

because that is what sells....

Yet my college is considering cutbacks because the sports teams--even football--are money losers.

[tnu]

No wonder my theater class always got the worst of the budget. Even behidn Chorus who got to do Beauty and the Beast.

[MrBogosity]

We never had any money for theatre. It was just what we could throw together ourselves.

[FeatheredTerror]

One of the main reasons I hate sports so much. I've also heard stories of science departments suffering while sports departments continue to get a shitload of money, which pisses me off to no end.

[tnu]

We never had any money for theatre. It was just what we could throw together ourselves.

Pretty much the same for us we had to scrounge for materials. How does the school even benefit form the sports by the way. I never looked too much in to it. HOw doees that generate revenues for the school?

[MrBogosity]

Pretty much the same for us we had to scrounge for materials. How does the school even benefit form the sports by the way. I never looked too much in to it. HOw doees that generate revenues for the school?

They charge admission to the games, and way overcharge people at the concession stands.

[MrBogosity]

Alok Lars in this discussion: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=602899466387152&set=a.508311029179330.124056.343696165640818&type=1&notif_t=photo_comment

The major fail begins when he claims that men cannot be raped, which was then exacerbated when, after I pointed out that they can and are basically laughed out of court, he claimed that it doesn't matter because it doesn't happen as often.

[evensgrey]

They charge admission to the games, and way overcharge people at the concession stands.

And a certain kind of alumnus donates much more generously if there is a winning sports team.  At least, that's what they think (often because certain wealthy, high-donating alumni tell them so).

[AnCap Dave]

Alok Lars in this discussion: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=602899466387152&set=a.508311029179330.124056.343696165640818&type=1&notif_t=photo_comment

The major fail begins when he claims that men cannot be raped, which was then exacerbated when, after I pointed out that they can and are basically laughed out of court, he claimed that it doesn't matter because it doesn't happen as often.

>many men cannot imagine a genuine threat of rape.

Show's over folks. Nothing to see here.

[Ibrahim90]

Yet my college is considering cutbacks because the sports teams--even football--are money losers.

well, the benefits are note universal. and it only really sells for the people actually engaged in sports.

[tnu]

From the comments on video I posted in Fave Quo

Does the group have the right to authorize confiscation of something that only a few need? Sure, if it judges that as crucial. The democracy makes all rules, there are no rules by self-evidence or divine right or alleged "natural origin", the only right is the brute force of the majority, law of the jungle defeating the jungle. The only way property is held is by majority enforcement, thus property exists only at the pleasure of the majority.

I didn't misunderstand trade, I disagreed with you. It is not a fair choice if I am coerced in any way, among those possible ways are hunger, desperation, cold, heat, need, etc. Do the people have the right to confiscate something that everyone needs from someone who won't give it up? Of course they do, it's about survival, and survival trumps all made-up rules.

Here's some self evidence. this commenter is a complete fucking moron with no understanding of what coercion actually is.

I can see why it made you chuckle. I meant that libertarians are ignorant of the fact that libertarianism actually existed when capitalism first came about. It also exists now in the third world. I find the American brand of it particularly vicious though and it only seems to exist in America. Look at that Ron Paul clip where he's talking about a man in a coma with no insurance, the crowd are shouting 'let him die' and Paul himself said 'if he dies it's a tribute to our liberty.' Nice.

Oh this conversation is just a gem. Fail in red.

WARNING: The exposure to the levels of fail and bogosity in the following conversation may have adverse effects on your health if not handled properly. Procede with cuation.

The kind of people who gravitate to

Libertarianism are the kind who have a desperate need

to justify themselves having more money than they deserve

because they know they obtained it unethically. Those who

are poor and Libertarian are just wannbe-rich-ers who think

that somebody has stolen from them.They're right, of course,

but they've been propagandized to believe the gummint did

it by the very people who stole from them, the rich Libertarians.

Thats because of Pride and a bit of narcissism that goes into them refusing to go to that shit. I know my dad has way to much pride to ask for government help he would rather starve on the street then ask for help.

That would be self-destructive. Would that

people felt that way about illicit profiteering from economic

victims by usury, return on investment, and rental property.

Then you might almost convince me they were moral and didn't

want a hand out.




So, just to be clear, your position is that property rights is a creation of the state and that an acceptance of them is theft. Is that correct?

The delusion that what you have is yours is like "finders-

keepers", it doesn't work in a court of law to get you out

of a conviction for possession of lost or stolen property.

The rest of us decide what is yours and what is not.


From where I come from, property rights are an extension of a basic tenet, that each person owns themselves. It is a logical deduction, not a "privilege" granted by "society".

There is no such "thing" as society. Society is a label, nothing more. There is no divine being called "society" there are people, and a group of people is called a society. Society cannot grant anything, only people can.

Violation of the "body politic"? A euphamism for heresy.



Is society a fiction? Possibly.

But when your friends and neighbors put you in jail

it seems quite real for some reason. Examine that

question more carefully. And how in the world can

be "own" ourselves? What we own is decided and

requires the support of others to be anything other

than a claim we make, one which is subject to public

approval. So we "own" ourselves as well ONLY with

the permission and support of the rest of us. Heresy

can be deadly serious.


Side Note: This bit just scares the crap out of me.



I didn't say society was a fiction, it is a label, not a thing. A person is a real thing. Your friends and neighbors that put you in jail and, yes, they are real things.

According to your logic, the one with the biggest gun and the willingness to use it owns everyone else.

My comparing your statement with heresy was pointing out the faith based, doctrinesque, illogical position that you have. It may have the power of the gun behind it, but it isn't true.








Otherwise anyone who wants to

can kill you and take what you have because you're not

under the group's protection. Rights are what is imaginary.

Inside the protection of society it is easy to forget that.



Know what? I can pay for protectors VOLUNTARILY asshat.



And then who's going to protect you

from them when THEY realize they can just as easily rob

you or enslave you as protect you? There is only one thing

big enough to protect you from that, and it's called the state.



Note: This statement in perticular reaks of special pleedign as far as I can tell.



Your simple mind doesn't understand, and of course we always attack that which we don't understand. I can only hope that our society will evolve past your violent sadistic idiocy.

not really happy for how he devolved in to insults here to be honest.




And now you're blathering more

ignorant slander about violence. I would love it if people

would do their share of the work and not try to force others

to do it for them. That is violence, and its name is capitalism.



Capitalism isn't violent until the state is involved. I can own tools and rent them out to others in a voluntary relationship, no violence involved. I would love it if people (you) would stop forcing me and everyone else to pay for their (your) desires, whims, and fancies.

What happens if I don't want to pay for YOUR fire department and instead pay those that I see better fit to protect my home? You throw me in a cage where I may be raped. Great solution.




The police threatening us with guns

for stealing back what the rich stole from us is violence too.

But it's not billed as criminal violence, as ours would be

in recovering our stolen property. Of course if the society

is doing your bidding and making you rich, you're going

to see any interference with that as violence, even if what

you do is every bit as much stealing by force using police

to enforce your shell-game.


Wow. Choosing red text for this ugy i sstartign to seem increasingly more appropriate.


Again, the same old lie. Society is "doing my bidding" there IS NO SOCIETY, it's a name for a group of people. If PEOPLE are doing my bidding, are they doing it voluntarily or through coercion and threats? In MY world it's done through VOLUNTARY choice unlike what you support.




No, this "individual" was made up

rather recently in history, as the robber barons tried

to break the resistance of the small tribes, the rule was

"divide and conquer". "Voluntarism" is just fine and dandy

till someone doesn't want to do something the tribe needs

desperately to survive, and then all hell breaks loose.



Oh then there's some other golden conversations iwht this asshole.


Property rights are a creation of

society and can be freely modified at the will of that

society to meet its needs, that is called taxation. Denying

this and asserting that property rights are somehow

inherent is both a delusion and violation of the body politic.


- Taxation is a violation of property rights. It is the forced taking of property from one person to someone else with more political pull.



Since property rights only exist at the

pleasure of the rest of us, the "state", taxation is in no

way a violation of such rights given BY the state. If you

think you have rights all by yourself, then defend them

all by yourself. Good luck. You seem to be unaware of

the whole concept of the social contract. Better read up!


Ah the "social ocntract" I should have expected him to bring this up eventually.

Property rights exist at the pleasure of the rest of us, true. "The state" bullshit. The only existence of "the state" is a result of people with weapons threatening others. You believe in shooting people that disagree with you. You are a vile, evil person.


The world is simply to small to let people do what they want,

it is going to require everyone's cooperation to survive now.

Once maybe you could live all alone in the woods, but then

anyone who really wanted to could kill you.




And you'd be first in line, because you're a violent hater. WTF, what was that? "it is going to require everyone's cooperation"? You asshat, you can't say that, you don't want ANY cooperation, you want dictators, violent abusive dictators to tell us what to do. Good god do you have ANY idea how immoral, how childish, how lacking in logic you are?




So you're now going to whine and

cray and call people a "hater" when they demand that you

do your share of the work. Sorry, but that's just a dodge.

You're playing to the peanut gallery. You've hung your hat

on the hobby horse of decrying "violence", when all you

mean by it is being compelled to do honest work for a living.



No, I'm going to point out that I, and everyone else, can CHOOSE how we wish to provide for our sustenance and that you deny that choice. You force your whim and fancy upon the rest of society, claiming a supreme right based upon a faith in some fantasy called "the social contract" which is no contract at all. Neither I, nor any other libertarian, voluntarist, or anarcocapitalist has issue with earning our own, but you do. You want to thieve.


That's sounds precisely like your robber, having robbed

you and you complaining, now telling you that you're a

whiner and a thief as well because YOU want to steal it

back from HIM!! That's what playground bullies try to do

so that they don't get caught, they try to humiliate their

victims out of asking for help from others, claiming their

victims are just cowards or somehow morally inferior.

Then we have THIS gem of a conversaiton. I'm sorry for how lengthy this is but ive never seen such fail concentrated in one place.

This was spun off form the bit where the other guy said "I beleive we have a right to CHOOSE how to provide for oure sustanance.


One, we can't choose what to think, we think and it is

us, we are not it. You cannot by an effort of will change

even the tiniest thing you truly believe. You know this

inside. You know you could lie about having done so,

but you know you can't. And what we do comes from

what we believe. So people are a product of their brain

chemistry, they don't control their brain chemistry.


I was never good with biology but I odn't think that's how brain chemistry works.


You deny free will? I do not. I know for a FACT that I have, through an effort of will and education changed several things I truly believed.

I used to think that abortion was wrong, I was a staunch believer. I even made ads for the right to life. I now support all abortion at any stage.

I used to think that drug use was wrong, I was for banning alcohol. I now believe that all drugs should be legal.




If we could change what

we think on a whim we could decide that we were someplace

else a lot better, and we'd think we were, for however long that

lasted, however we usually describe people who do that as

psychotic.

Yeah i'm probably going to be getting a lot of fail quotes to come formt e4h comments of this vid. This guy is a gold mine