Fail Quotes

[AnCap Dave]

The thing is, I can't find anywhere where TSL pointed out specific historical innacuracies in his book. It's not on his blog, and I only see a couple of snarky comments on his FB that are little better than assertions. Unless I've missed a proper critique somewhere; if I have, please point it out to me.

[MrBogosity]

It's way difficult if he doesn't quote the book, to know what precisely is being refuted. None of these rise to the level of a formal critique. And some make no sense at all, like:

LOLWUT??? Here's the full quote, from his 1848 speech to Congress:

Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, most sacred right—a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government, may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people that can, may revolutionize, and make their own, of so much of the territory as they inhabit. More than this, a majority of any portion of such people may revolutionize, putting down a minority, intermingled with, or near about them, who may oppose their movement.

Sorry, but there's not much grey area there. TSL is out to lunch when he's saying Lincoln is speaking of a moral right and not a legal one; rights ARE legal, or the government is oppressive. Besides, when the American colonies seceded form Britain, it was illegal under British law; saying secession is illegal misses the point of secession entirely.

There are only three times I'm aware of before the Civil War where secession was seriously debated. The first was after Thomas Jefferson was elected president, and the Federalists in New England cried for secession. They decided not to, but nowhere in the debates that I've found did they say they didn't have the RIGHT to debate—they said it wasn't a good idea, like Alexander Hamilton, but there was no case of anyone saying, "Hey, we don't even get to have this conversation because states can't secede anyway."

The second was after the Tariffs of Abomination in the 1840s. Again, many states cried for secession, but although the secessionists lost the argument, it's hard to find any of their opponents saying they COULDN'T do it, only that it was a bad idea.

The third was in the 1850s, leading up to the Civil War, when some Abolitionists (most notably William Lloyd Garrison) advocated that the northern states secede to make a truly free country, without slavery. Again, they decided not to do it, but also again, there was no contention to the fact that they were HAVING THE CONVERSATION.

And even if JQA or certain others DID say that they couldn't secede, all you have is THAT ONE PERSON'S OPINION. And when that person is the President, it's hard to take the claim credibly. I'm sure King George III would have spoken against secession as well.

Now, to all of these, there's the disclaimer that I haven't read Woods's book—but also, TSL doesn't so much as quote him, so it's hard to evaluate his accusations. THIS IS NOT A FORMAL CRITIQUE. And for reasons I have stated, it's hard to respond to a critique unless it's formally laid out, and I don't blame Woods one bit for not trying to jump into an obvious quagmire.

And yes, I've skimmed through the other comments. Same thing applies.

For all I know, Woods has a major error on every third page; but if TSL or anyone else wants Woods to take this seriously and respond, a proper, formal critique is required.

[Ibrahim90]

It gets worse:

HOW DARE THEY ACT AS IF THEY AREN'T OUR SLAVES???!!!!!!! WE MUST RAIL AGAINST THIS INJUSTICE!!!!!! DEATH TO WALMART Arrgh GArrr!!!!

She might as well said this, instead of trying (failing) to sound intelligent.

[Travis Retriever]

Every single comment left on this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IAExlOz2OM by oneformtothenext defending slavery.
I'm close to calling Poe's Law--no one is THAT insane/stupid.

[MrBogosity]

Every single comment left on this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IAExlOz2OM by oneformtothenext defending slavery.
I'm close to calling Poe's Law--no one is THAT insane/stupid.

If we didn't call Poe on him for saying that we don't see light reflected off of objects, then why would this do it?

Sadly, there really ARE people this stupid in the world.

[Altimadark]

Every single comment left on this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IAExlOz2OM by oneformtothenext defending slavery.
I'm close to calling Poe's Law--no one is THAT insane/stupid.

I went to his channel to find anything to prove he's not serious, and instead learned that he's a moon hoaxer as well. There's not a hint of evidence to suggest he's trolling or poe-ing.

[Gumba Masta]

I went to his channel to find anything to prove he's not serious, and instead learned that he's a moon hoaxer as well. There's not a hint of evidence to suggest he's trolling or poe-ing.

Either that or he's just that good.

[Travis Retriever]

If we didn't call Poe on him for saying that we don't see light reflected off of objects, then why would this do it?

Sadly, there really ARE people this stupid in the world.

Don't remind me. T_T

[AnCap Dave]

[AnCap Dave]

I'm also throwing Peace News Now's recent video in here because of anti-vaccer and anti-flouride nonsense:
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His source on the fluoride story:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mercola/fluoride_b_2479833.html

His source on his anti-vaccer shit:
http://www.activistpost.com/2013/07/courts-rule-vaccines-containing-mmr-and.html

[R.E.H.W.R.]

Oh, god.
This is going to get even dumber.

[BlameThe1st]

There are people who are seriously comparing Jahar to Trayon Martin:

http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/post/55276214998/freejahar-compares-boston-bomber-to-trayvon-martin

Words fail me.

[brandishwar]

Oh, god.
This is going to get even dumber.

Just wait for the blog posts and Change.org petitions calling for the judge to overturn Zimmerman's acquittal...

[AnCap Dave]

Just wait for the blog posts and Change.org petitions calling for the judge to overturn Zimmerman's acquittal...

How about Facebook posts asking Obama to overturn the decision?

Unfortunately I don't have any to actually share, but according to my buddy Matt, he saw at least one.

[R.E.H.W.R.]

http://bit.ly/12Kn7NT

Go fuck yourself Maher!