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June 21, 2013, 12:34:35 PM #2730 Last Edit: June 21, 2013, 12:40:50 PM by Ibrahim90
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 19, 2013, 10:29:10 PM
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Glad to see Shane posting a video like this again! :)

@ 2:04: the big bang, strictly speaking, does not actually explain how the universe actually began. It does however describe how, once it "began", it developed: through a rapid expansion of space-time, from a "singularity". how this itself appeared/began (if it even "began" as such"), is unknown, though I've heard and read some hypotheses on the matter (actually, I think you posted a video mentioning a couple, though it's been years).
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Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 21, 2013, 12:00:54 PM
Tom Woods and every other libertarian calling out the drone strikes and continuation of wars, etc, all say "Hi." :P

I mean people who aren't continually ignored by the mainstream media.

Quote from: MrBogosity on June 21, 2013, 12:41:36 PM
I mean people who aren't continually ignored by the mainstream media.
Oh, well yeah.  That makes sense.
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537

http://www.cracked.com/article_19864_6-ridiculous-lies-you-believe-about-founding-america.html
#1 would also explain how, despite the founders alleged knowledge of the Romans republic growing and falling under its own weight, why they still made our government one too.
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537

Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 21, 2013, 01:32:56 PM
http://www.cracked.com/article_19864_6-ridiculous-lies-you-believe-about-founding-america.html
#1 would also explain how, despite the founders alleged knowledge of the Romans republic growing and falling under its own weight, why they still made our government one too.

They thought they could do it better, having at least some ideas of the pitfalls.  It didn't really work out particularly well, although it certainly wasn't worse than the proposed alternatives.

I was looking ofr a program to generate my own Obama Meme and I found some really good ones















I know my atheist friends are going to hate me for this, but this I consider to be epic win:

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LOL! Slick Rich gets his just desserts! :D


No Sovereign but God. No King but Jesus. No Princess but Celestia.

Sorry, got 3 minutes in and had to cut it off because of the onslaught of IncrediFail.

Do you guys REALLY not get the point behind the Zeus analogy? "They would be reflected by their interactions with us." And YHVH wouldn't? Or did he all of a sudden just decide to start behaving differently after the Bible was compiled? And if he did, why couldn't Zeus have thus changed his mind as well?

Do you really not get that we don't see any difference between Zeus and YHVH? Two ancient, primitive gods who behave in ways we don't see the universe acting like?

Quote from: MrBogosity on June 21, 2013, 11:16:16 AM
It was quite different when Bush was in office, wasn't it?
Not really, remember what happened when the Dixie Chicks criticized Bush for attacking Iraq? If you don't, essentially, the media and the court of public opinion more or less labeled them as traitors.

Quote from: dallen68 on June 22, 2013, 09:06:45 AM
Not really, remember what happened when the Dixie Chicks criticized Bush for attacking Iraq? If you don't, essentially, the media and the court of public opinion more or less labeled them as traitors.

The right called you traitors; the left supported you and called for impeachment. Now the right AND the left call you traitors.

Quote from: MrBogosity on June 22, 2013, 09:15:57 AM
The right called you traitors; the left supported you and called for impeachment. Now the right AND the left call you traitors.

IIRC, the calling for impeachment didn't happen until years later, when it was revealed that there never was any evidence Iraq had ever had weapons of mass destruction; which was the pretense for attacking them in the first place.

Quote from: dallen68 on June 22, 2013, 09:24:33 AM
IIRC, the calling for impeachment didn't happen until years later, when it was revealed that there never was any evidence Iraq had ever had weapons of mass destruction; which was the pretense for attacking them in the first place.

Actually, it didn't happen until the Democrats gained control of the House, ensuring that if Bush and Cheney were both impeached the Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi would become president. Interesting timing, huh? Naaah, it must be a coincidence...

Quote from: MrBogosity on June 22, 2013, 10:31:17 AM
Actually, it didn't happen until the Democrats gained control of the House, ensuring that if Bush and Cheney were both impeached the Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi would become president. Interesting timing, huh? Naaah, it must be a coincidence...

Well, maybe. Then again, being impeached would only mean anything if Bush and Cheney had been convicted by the Senate, which was still Republican at that juncture. (Bill Clinton was in fact impeached over the lying to congress over the Monica Lewinski thing, but as far as I know, the Senate never even considered the matter).

I guess you could use a threat of impeachment as some kind of intimidation tactic, but unless the charges are actually substantial, it's highly doubtful to get you far.

Quote from: dallen68 on June 22, 2013, 10:51:33 AM
Well, maybe. Then again, being impeached would only mean anything if Bush and Cheney had been convicted by the Senate, which was still Republican at that juncture.

No, it was Democratic as well. They took both houses in 2006.

Quote from: MrBogosity on June 22, 2013, 10:31:17 AM
Actually, it didn't happen until the Democrats gained control of the House, ensuring that if Bush and Cheney were both impeached the Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi would become president. Interesting timing, huh? Naaah, it must be a coincidence...

reminds me of the whole impeachment of Bill Clinton...not quite the same motives, but also at a politically opportune moment.
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