Gun Control: The Japan Argument

[Skm1091]

This is another argument used by gun control advocates is the Japan.



There is one problem with this argument and that is look at Japan's neighboring country (Look on the Map)



South Korea

South Korea has even stricter laws to that of Japan yet their homicide rate is 8 times higher than Japans. And South Korea has oceans on both sides and at the north one of the most heavily guarded borders on earth (absolutely impossible for smuggling). They are also an economically developed country so this argument of poor nation is BULLSHIT!!

More on Homicide rates for each country

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compare/170/number_of_homicides_any_method/91

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compare/170/rate_of_homicide_any_method/91

Other Comparisons

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compare/170/number_of_privately_owned_firearms/91

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compare/170/firearm_regulation_-_guiding_policy/91

[BreadGod]

Not only that, but Japan is culturally and ethnically homogeneous, and ethnically homogeneous areas tend to have less crime. Last time I checked, 98.5% of the Japanese population consists of ethnic Japanese.

[Travis Retriever]

[South Korea is] also an economically developed country so this argument of poor nation is BULLSHIT!!

People are seriously trying to argue that South Korea is poor?  Um, they do know it's North Korea that's the poor one, right?  And aren't these the same people who think money is evil/corrupts?  Shouldn't that mean the homicide rate in poorer countries should be *lower* not the higher that they're arguing?

*EDIT* And yeah, what BreadGod said too.

[Skm1091]

People are seriously trying to argue that South Korea is poor?  Um, they do know it's North Korea that's the poor one, right?  And aren't these the same people who think money is evil/corrupts?  Shouldn't that mean the homicide rate in poorer countries should be *lower* not the higher that they're arguing?

*EDIT* And yeah, what BreadGod said too.

What I meant was people would make an after the fact rationalization that gun control would not work in a poor nation. South Korea obviously proves this argument as a big pile of steaming horse shit.

Not only that, but Japan is culturally and ethnically homogeneous, and ethnically homogeneous areas tend to have less crime. Last time I checked, 98.5% of the Japanese population consists of ethnic Japanese.

South Korea is also in the same boat.  https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ks.html

[Skm1091]

Yo Guys I found something really funky. Taiwan (Republic of China)



Taiwan's gun laws are just as strict as any of the other two countries I have mentioned and the funny thing is it has the highest rate out of the three.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/taiwan

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compare/180/rate_of_homicide_any_method/170,91

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compareyears/180/rate_of_homicide_any_method

How the frig did it go that high?! (see chart bellow)

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compareyears/180/rate_of_homicide_any_method

[Ibrahim90]

Yo Guys I found something really funky. Taiwan (Republic of China)



Taiwan's gun laws are just as strict as any of the other two countries I have mentioned and the funny thing is it has the highest rate out of the three.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/taiwan

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compare/180/rate_of_homicide_any_method/170,91

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compareyears/180/rate_of_homicide_any_method

How the frig did it go that high?! (see chart bellow)

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compareyears/180/rate_of_homicide_any_method

damn, what happened in 1994 to cause the crime to shoot up like that?

[Skm1091]

damn, what happened in 1994 to cause the crime to shoot up like that?

No clue. I've been looking into that.

Also Taiwan is a Developed country. These gun control advocates will always make an after the fact rationalization that goes along this line.

"well the reason it didn't work is because the nation isn't developed so their law enforcement is weak"

As you can see here that argument is absolute horse shit!

To all of you gun control advocates out there. Better come up with a better argument or

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[evensgrey]

Yo Guys I found something really funky. Taiwan (Republic of China)



Taiwan's gun laws are just as strict as any of the other two countries I have mentioned and the funny thing is it has the highest rate out of the three.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/taiwan

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compare/180/rate_of_homicide_any_method/170,91

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compareyears/180/rate_of_homicide_any_method

How the frig did it go that high?! (see chart bellow)

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compareyears/180/rate_of_homicide_any_method

Taiwan is famously violent.  When was the last time you heard of a fist fight breaking out in the legislature of any OTHER country while it was in session?

[VectorM]

Herp, derp, but it's GUN HOMICIDE  we are arguing, you stupid LOLbertarian! Not total homicides! Stop reading Ayn Rand!

[Skm1091]

Herp, derp, but it's GUN HOMICIDE  we are arguing, you stupid LOLbertarian! Not total homicides! Stop reading Ayn Rand!

Overall Homicide > Gun Homicide

[Skm1091]

Overall Homicide > Gun Homicide

To add to this, doesn't this tell you that these people doesn't actually care about crime and all they care about is something they don't like?

[Ibrahim90]

Taiwan is famously violent.  When was the last time you heard of a fist fight breaking out in the legislature of any OTHER country while it was in session?

damn, and I though Iraqis were unruly...how did they get into a fight like that?

[Skm1091]

damn, and I though Iraqis were unruly...how did they get into a fight like that?

Oh yea

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2383620/Mass-fight-Taiwanese-parliament-debate-nuclear-power.html

[VectorM]

Are you sure this isn't some sort of tradition?

[Ibrahim90]

figures: beating each other up over nuclear energy...

@ VectorM: it was in the US in the early days...