PZ Myers fail: "Maybe this will finally drive the libertarians out of atheism"

[dallen68]

White papers by people other than liberturds or full RW economists can be evidence. You must understand the difference between propaganda by TRUE BELIEVERS™, and real evidence by skeptics...

Yes, they can be, but it's the content of those documents that make them evidence, not the fact they are documents.

[BreadGod]

Split to a new topic.

Notice the burden-shifting: "And you are wrong until you show you are right with evidence."

Wait a minute, don't theists do the exact same thing?

Personally, I don't understand why atheists are able to use logic and reason to discover that god does not exist, yet they don't apply logic and reason to government.

[Travis Retriever]

Wait a minute, don't theists do the exact same thing?

Personally, I don't understand why atheists are able to use logic and reason to discover that god does not exist, yet they don't apply logic and reason to government.

You and me both. >_<

[Travis Retriever]

Yes, they can be, but it's the content of those documents that make them evidence, not the fact they are documents.

Mhm.  The OP is full on special pleading at this point.

[Travis Retriever]

I think I'm going to call it--responding to these state cultists--a night for now.
If anyone else wants to join in, feel free.

[Travis Retriever]

Okay, against my better judgement, I decided to see if there was something there from someone here, and found/noticed a few things.

It turned into a discussion of "HUR DUR UHC!" thus completely evading the video by Shane I posted.  And not one of them has even tried to address the points in either the videos or sources.  One of which was that big article of how govco 'solved' the first healthcare crisis by killing mutual aid and fraternal societies.  Of course they just blow it off as "propaganda".

And one responds to me saying that "I'm against both Socialized Medicine and the USA's current system" by telling me to know my audience and that he's for socialized medicine.  Funny, I was about to tell him the same thing--know your audience.  I'm not for the USA's system so anything these gullible infants can share that bashes it is 100% irrelevant to me.

One really bitchy one asks if I have ways of getting the ideas across besides youtube.
So I call him out on giving the blog author a free pass (the entry is just a video) and say that the videos I linked to have transcripts if he'd like that instead.
His response?  He calls me a mean name and says he doesn't like me.  Yeah, cry a river and drown in it dbag.
With another responding to me saying that I'm an anarcho capitalist with, "HUR! Robber barons must treat you well!"

By the way, it seems I'm still blocked, so could someone else post this to the comments for me and let us know the reaction?

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So in conclusion, I showed them your video, Shane, and they don't even address a word of it, by blowing it off as "opinions and propaganda".  While unironically flinging their own opinions and propaganda at me.  Pathetic state cultists the lot of them.  Figures they wouldn't even look at it, but then, given this place's track record, should we really be surprised?

[R.E.H.W.R.]

Okay, against my better judgement, I decided to see if there was something there from someone here, and found/noticed a few things.

It turned into a discussion of "HUR DUR UHC!" thus completely evading the video by Shane I posted.  And not one of them has even tried to address the points in either the videos or sources.  One of which was that big of how govco 'solved' the first healthcare crisis by killing mutual aid and fraternal societies.  Of course they just blow it of as "propaganda".

And one responds to me saying that "I'm against both Socialized Medicine and the USA's current system" by telling me to know my audience and that he's for socialized medicine.  Funny, I was about to tell him the same thing--know your audience.  I'm not for the USA's system so anything these gullible infants can share that bashes it is 100% irrelevant to me.

One really bitchy one asks if I have ways of getting the ideas across besides youtube.
So I call him out on giving the blog author a free pass (the entry is just a video) and say that the videos I linked to have transcripts if he'd like that instead.
His response?  He calls me a mean name and says he doesn't like me.  Yeah, cry a river and drown in it dbag.
With another responding to me saying that I'm an anarcho capitalist with, "HUR! Robber barons must treat you well!"

So in conclusion, I showed them your video, Shane, and they don't even address a word of it, by blowing it off as "opinions and propaganda".  While unironically flinging their own opinions and propaganda at me.  Pathetic state cultists the lot of them.  Figures they wouldn't even look at it, but then, given this place's track record, should we really be surprised?

Wow, I thought creationist were bad.

[BreadGod]

Wow, I thought creationist were bad.

This is Freethought Blogs we're talking about. Don't expect any sort of rational discourse.

[R.E.H.W.R.]

This is Freethought Blogs we're talking about. Don't expect any sort of rational discourse.

Well, I never visited the site before, kind of regretting it now.

[dallen68]

Well, I never visited the site before, kind of regretting it now.

I used to read it occasionally, but I lost interest in it a few years ago because it stopped being about science, and rationalism, and atheism and started to be more about ... well, actually most of it turned into a bunch of people having a whine fest. In any event, it got to the point that someone actually saying something worth reading was so rare as to be inconsequential.

[Travis Retriever]

Wow, I thought creationist were bad.

Mhm.  It's like I've always told Shane--state cultists are indeed worse than creationists.
And yeah, "propaganda" isn't some magical "IWIN" button.  It also doesn't mean what they think it means.  Last I checked, it means something laced with emotional appeals and if they actually bothered to read my posts, not only did I not provide a single emotional appeal, I would bet that they did that quite posted quite a few of those themselves.
dictionary.com people.  It's mere keystrokes away.  No excuses for not knowing how to use your terms properly.

[MrBogosity]

Wait a minute, don't theists do the exact same thing?

Yes, that's the whole point of A&L Part 1.

Personally, I don't understand why atheists are able to use logic and reason to discover that god does not exist, yet they don't apply logic and reason to government.

I've been wondering that for well over a decade.

[MrBogosity]

This is Freethought Blogs we're talking about. Don't expect any sort of rational discourse.

Ironic that I use a FTB post in one of the parts as an example of how many statheists are just like creationists...

[MrBogosity]

So I call him out on giving the blog author a free pass (the entry is just a video) and say that the videos I linked to have transcripts if he'd like that instead.

Just so everyone knows, this is a good resource for them:

http://www.transcriptsearch.com.es/id/anP42zvPPRQ

I haven't checked, but I surmise they have transcripts for all YouTube videos that have captions.

[MrBogosity]

Man, someone even brought up Jakob Fugger. Yeah, cos if I'm examining free market economies, Germany circa 1500 is TOTALLY the first place I look...

Mercantilist/corporatist societies like 16th-century Germany get monopolies. In a free market, monopolies keep running into people like Herbert Dow.