Fightingatheist, I'm so dissapointed in you...

[Gumba Masta]

I mean, doesn't psychology state that it's sociapaths who are the most strongly drawn to positions of power?

Gumba Masta sits at his table and plays with marionettes resembling various heads of state.
"Hahaha dance my puppets, dance!" Suddenly he notices you and hastly crams them into a drawer.
"You where saying?"

[Lord T Hawkeye]

Whose response was that?

Three guesses, first two don't count.

And if you guessed ol' Big V, a prize for you!  ^^

[valvatica]

These people forget that the very reason WHY one will start to distrust government is because government IS us. They are not some team of angels with a bunch of typewriters and cubicles made of clouds. They have the same flaws, incompetence, ineptitude, inclinations to have affairs, susceptibility to bribery, etc. as any other person not in government. If people can raise money for a cause or to donate without any middle man, why require government at all? Even if things are going dandy under a country with government healthcare, they are not accepting the fact that at any moment it can be taken away. It's like that Goldwater quote.

[Gumba Masta]

A goverment big enough to provide everything is big enough to take it away?

[Virgil0211]

Gumba Masta sits at his table and plays with marionettes resembling various heads of state.
"Hahaha dance my puppets, dance!" Suddenly he notices you and hastly crams them into a drawer.
"You where saying?"

You forgot the 'I have everything, and you have nothing!'

[valvatica]

A goverment big enough to provide everything is big enough to take it away?

Exactly.

[LuminousMonkey]

Vogter2100 has posted yet another video on the subject again, now, while I still place myself in the "still researching" camp (while favouring liberty). I am finding it frustrating that he still doesn't seem to understand.  In his latest video, he's making the point that people don't want to bother with having to handle the water, sewage, police, etc, that's why you need the state to do it.

But I'm struggling to see how he could have that point of view, just because some people wouldn't want to take care of it, doesn't mean that there wouldn't want to be companies that do?

I think he could be making the point that my wife makes (in a separate issue), in that, if there's too much choice, then it's too hard for people to make a decision.  For example, if you had 100 insurance companies then it's too hard to make an educated decision on the "right" one.  I think it's a pretty weak argument, but I think that's a point he is making, if I understand correctly?

[MrBogosity]

I have my own water and sewage (well and septic tank). Lots of places hire their own security, and there are private courts. Besides, I don't want to take care of building and repairing my own car--so I pay others to do it for me.

Just more of his ignorance.

[valvatica]

There will always be at least one person who wants to provide a particular service (to make money). If this person is the only person who provides the service, he's rolling high. This encourages others to compete. If customers aren't pleased with a particular competitor's services, they can go to the next one. So the entity that provides the best service will ultimately prevail, because the loss in business is the incentive.

With government, when they have a monopoly on a particular service, it means no one can compete and do it better if it's terrible.

Pretty crude, but am I right? I can't believe it took me this long to realize this basic stuff.

If government doesn't provide the services, are people going to just sit around and complain about the lack of services without doing anything about it? I don't think so. Someone will do it, and that will a) Provide the services to others and b) Help said person make money.

[Travis Retriever]

Vogter2100 is at it again.  Honestly, what the fuck is his problem?
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[MrBogosity]

It's apparently an obsession with him. There seems to be some sort of pathology going on.

[Gumba Masta]

Yes, but which obsession is biggers his with us or ours with him?

[Travis Retriever]

Yes, but which obsession is biggers his with us or ours with him?

His.
He started it.

[Travis Retriever]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJZKW5noC8Y

Sigh...another skeptic tossing it all out the window when it comes to politics.

He's not the only one:
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I'm very very very disappointed in ZOMGitsCriss for taking part in this.
Someone as smart as her should know better.
That goes for everyone one of the people in this video for that matter.

[Gumba Masta]

She's still cuter than Vogter. =D