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[VectorM]

Not to mention the Huge cherry picking.

Here's the thing though, when I mentioned this type of stuff on a different forum, I was told that you can only compare the U.S. with equivalent countries, like Canada and such. So it did make me think, how exactly do you make these comparisons and what is the proper way to try and get some answers from the different correlations? Because I think I got this thing wrong.

[MrBogosity]

Here's the thing though, when I mentioned this type of stuff on a different forum, I was told that you can only compare the U.S. with equivalent countries, like Canada and such. So it did make me think, how exactly do you make these comparisons and what is the proper way to try and get some answers from the different correlations? Because I think I got this thing wrong.

Cross-cultural comparisons are INCREDIBLY difficult to do with any validity, so you end up with a situation where pretty much the only people with the integrity to take the time to do them right just don't bother with it and use other methods. One such method is to do a before/after comparison within the same culture; so, what was happening before the law was passed vs. after, and are there any other factors that could also contribute to the difference? That's a lot easier than trying to control for all cultural factors as well.

[MrBogosity]

Everything said by NC Board of Elections General Counsel Don Wright in this email exchange: http://shanekillian.org/sk/NC-Board-of-Elections-refuses-to-count-constitutionally-valid-votes/

[AnCap Dave]

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Apparently shootings are grounds for eliminating freedom of the press.

[Altimadark]

So now I've gone from making pointless comments on YouTube to making pointless comments on Deviantart. That's gotta be a step up, right?

Anyhow, a fellow by the name of Gryphon2001 made some comments in regards to one of Shane's Bogosity podcasts, which I had to refute (the comment, not the podcast)...

[Shane] Obviously doesn't Know that the 'federal government' IS A CORPORATION.

...I think he knows it's worse than any corporation could hope to be.

And then the fail comes in on the non sequitur train:

Off the top of my head, I can't give you Links to show it, but in conjunction with the Establishment of the 'federal reserve bank' (a private corporation, OWNED by 'THE CITY OF LONDON CORPORATION' (look it up) and other 'jewish' Bankers (rothschild, rockefeller, morgan(thaler) gellermann/sachs (Goldman-Sachs) and several others) the CONgress was duped/bought into approving the incorporation of the 'government' so as to allow the 'federal reserve bank' to Print fiat paper money (the original 'jewish' Scam) and LOAN it to the People (though their 'government')
and since then YOU are a DEBT SLAVE,
OWNED BY 'god's chosen people'.
Got a Problem with that? Google Up any of those Key Words I used, and Read, with an Open Mind, what comes up...
p.s. 'google' is a department of the "NSA" which is a PArt of the 'corporation'.

At that point, any chance for an intelligent conversation was over, though not for lack of trying. After a brief back-and-forth, where I asked him to support his claims and he refused because he claimed only a troll would ask, he blocked me and finished with this comment:

I don't 'make claims', I just make Comments.. and I like the Blocktroll Feature on this Website...

...clearly displaying both his closed mind and/or intent to troll.

One final note, while his block keeps me from replying to him directly, the conversation is on another person's journal, so I'm still able to post comments.

[Lord T Hawkeye]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPPm4885DVo&lc=JHCdYhuuV_Tpp0CFA4g6QxV8agczz9MG9YgZadkiH5k

Wow, check it out!  I got a holocaust denier now.

elbuggo by name.  It's cute how smart they seem to think they are.

[tnu]

Everything said by NC Board of Elections General Counsel Don Wright in this email exchange: http://shanekillian.org/sk/NC-Board-of-Elections-refuses-to-count-constitutionally-valid-votes/

Shane? Why is it that so often i've found more and more reason to be ashamed ofour state?

[R.E.H.W.R.]

 I present, Piers Morgan.
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[Ibrahim90]

I present, Piers Morgan.
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you just have to the love the sheer amount of emotional platitudes and "think of the children" mentality (so called).

what I don't see, neither from Mr. Morgan, or any of the dozens of exhibits in the comments below is anyone actually addressing the reasons why mass murders in schools (or mass murders in general) happen.

why isn't anyone on the major mass media channels (FOX, MSNBC, etc) attempting to see the links between the various incidents, aside from the tool used? where are the studies, the common links, the actual facts? why isn't anyone trying to examine the motivation to the murders? draw common threads? take action according to that, and perhaps in the process saving hundreds of lives in the process?

the fact that people aren't looking into this on the news, or in Congress, or anywhere where there is media coverage--even the media itself--and instead are trying to talk "points", is in my opinion the greatest slur on the memory of the victims possible. hell, it's not an opinion, it's a fact.

[R.E.H.W.R.]

you just have to the love the sheer amount of emotional platitudes and "think of the children" mentality (so called).

what I don't see, neither from Mr. Morgan, or any of the dozens of exhibits in the comments below is anyone actually addressing the reasons why mass murders in schools (or mass murders in general) happen.

why isn't anyone on the major mass media channels (FOX, MSNBC, etc) attempting to see the links between the various incidents, aside from the tool used? where are the studies, the common links, the actual facts? why isn't anyone trying to examine the motivation to the murders? draw common threads? take action according to that, and perhaps in the process saving hundreds of lives in the process?

the fact that people aren't looking into this on the news, or in Congress, or anywhere where there is media coverage--even the media itself--and instead are trying to talk "points", is in my opinion the greatest slur on the memory of the victims possible. hell, it's not an opinion, it's a fact.

Hell, there are people who commented that you shouldn't bring up the amount of car deaths. Excuse me for wanting to a risk analysis of what's more likely to kill you.
Told someone that the US homicide rate was decreased since 1991 from 9.8 to 4.2 to 4.8 and their response is that I'm an idiot.
Acting just like a creationist.

[VectorM]

But then they say, that gun control is the best band-aid type solution to the problem for now, and that it's simply better to have people no access to guns, so that at least people with knifes can't kill as many people.

[MrBogosity]

But then they say, that gun control is the best band-aid type solution to the problem for now, and that it's simply better to have people no access to guns, so that at least people with knifes can't kill as many people.

I don't think anyone's going to let that argument fly anymore.

[R.E.H.W.R.]

But then they say, that gun control is the best band-aid type solution to the problem for now, and that it's simply better to have people no access to guns, so that at least people with knifes can't kill as many people.

Why do they always exclude bombs? Considering they kill more people and are easy to make.

[MrBogosity]

Why do they always exclude bombs? Considering they kill more people and are easy to make.

Just ask the Japanese.

[VectorM]

I don't think anyone's going to let that argument fly anymore.

Doesn't stop these guys:

But if you read that link, it suggests that 27 people were killed that year (the highest number EVER). That's the same as this one US school shooting.
Hell, you could also reference the recent school stabbing rampage in china: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-20723910

Crazy dude rampages through school with a knife, stabs 22 people. Kills....zero.

Crazy people are crazy, we get that. But crazy people with knives are vastly less dangerous than crazy people with guns. And crazy people with assault rifles are even worse. Pipebombs require at least rudimentary chemistry knowledge, and are really not that effective anyway. Knives require you to get up close and are really not that effective anyway. Nothing quite has the sheer cathartic thrill of the "point and click, BAM: YOU DED" character of guns.

Taking the guns away is not the answer, clearly, but it's the best instant-fix patchup job available. Furthermore, the more you disincentivise gun ownership, the more you'll reduce the fetish status that guns occupy in the american psyche. Seriously, I don't think there's another civilised nation on this planet that views guns in such an insanely entitled fashion.

You're still going to get maniacs who want to inflict damage on a lot of innocent people - and they will do so. Makeshift bombs? Have a look at how many of the Columbine pipe bombs exploded. Knives? See DDL's post. Guns are unequalled for accessability and effectiveness, even when used by an amateur.

While it would be fantastic to have a society where people don't want to do this stuff, that isn't going to happen. As a society, we've never had that and there's no reason to suspect we will in the future. So with that fact in place - that this shooter couldn't have been stopped from wanting to murder people - you have to look at what could have been done to stop him. Not having access to weapons.

Hence, gun control.

http://www.offtopicproductions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=11600&start=30

Also, I am pretty bad at arguing for gun rights...