[bogosity-podcast]https://bogosity.podbean.com/mf/web/q9ayt/BogosityPodcast-7-11-2011.mp3[/bogosity-podcast]
News of the Bogus:
- NATO Admits Missile Hit a Civilian Home in Tripoli http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/20/world/middleeast/20libya.html?_r=1
- Eisenhower's Farewell Address to the Nation http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ike.htm
- Scientists Discover That Antimicrobial Wipes and Soaps May Be Making You (and Society) Sick http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=scientists-discover-that-antimicrob-2011-07-05
- 401(k) Law Suppresses Saving for Retirement http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303365804576430153643522780.html
Biggest Bogon Emitter: Dr. Cynthia Boaz http://www.truth-out.org/14-propaganda-techniques-fox-news-uses-brainwash-americans/1309612678
Idiot Extraordinaire: Millions of Americans http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/06/us/06casey.html
- The Innocence Project: http://www.innocenceproject.org/
This Week's Quote: “She’s cold, materialistic, unlikable, and it might bring you all pleasure to see her go to jail. But as for evidence to establish that she committed a murder beyond all reasonable doubt? It just isn’t there. The only possible route to a guilty verdict here is Schadenfreude.” —Alan Shore, from Boston Legal
I want to applaud you for the Idiot Extraordinaire segment.
The problem is, millions of Americans out there really DO believe that they are more insightful than the jury that was actually there to view the evidence, and now you got the emotional lynch mob is trying to make laws (http://www.change.org/petitions/create-caylees-law) now. The people I talked to about the Casey Anthony case were actually furious that evidence was required to convict her in the first place!
The fact is, what happened to Caylee was a tragedy. That can't be denied. But just because it is a tragedy, doesn't mean you can just throw a face on it without some kind of evidence to back up your position of guilt. These people believe it, but these people are also dangerous to anyone who may be wrongfully committed of any kind of crime.
The embedded player isn't working for me for some reason, but the player at podbean is.
Oh, Shane, I meant to ask. Could you post links to the information from the Innocence Project?
I want to use it for future debates.
The stuff I used is basically scattered all over the site, but it's very easy to navigate: http://www.innocenceproject.org/
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on July 10, 2011, 07:08:03 PM
The embedded player isn't working for me for some reason, but the player at podbean is.
It works for me. What browser/Flash version are you using?
Firefox 4, whatever the latest version of Flash is
I'm in Firefox 5, and I downgraded to the previous version of Flash because nothing was working right.
6.0 Beta for me.
FSBlueApocalypse: Can you click the little mp3 player icon next to it and get the mp3 download directly?
And now there's a scam going on facebook claiming that there is a video of Casey Anthony confessing to her lawyer about the murder.
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d168/IronFury51488/CaseyAnthonyScam.png)
Obviously if you see it, don't click it. That being said though, it doesn't surprise me that a scam like this is happening, but the sad part is, the people that WANT Casey Anthony to be guilty will click it anyway.
Got this response for the 401(k) report.
QuoteThe thing is, this ominous title holds no water to the actual content of the article and the issue at hand. In fact, the law increased enrollment rates, but due to the auto enrollment contribution rates remaining at a constant 3% (due to the companies, mind you), it appears that the saving plans have fallen short of what is required.
Moreover, employees are free to increase the contribution rates at their leisure,and even the article mentions a statement that "simple inertia" was in fact responsible for workers not increasing their contribution rates. In fact, it is the workers that held all the cards in the hand, and their lack of interest (or rather, their oblivion) is what caused this trend.
Of course, you can always argue that the government allowed for this false sense of security to occur, or that companies influenced the government in order to create this illusion of a good retirement plan, but that would be nitpicking, and being extremely prejudiced towards the government. I'm not saying that you shouldn't be, politicians haven't changed since the time of the Roman patricians, merely wanting to remain in power as long as they can, but not everything they do is detrimental to the people governed.
They need to listen to what I actually said. If you start from a position of no retirement, you'll go ahead and sign up, and of course you'll choose what you think is an appropriate contribution. But if you're signed up automatically, it becomes less of a priority, since you'll mostly have to go through the same paperwork for something you're already signed up for anyway.
Besides, what's his solution? Take even more of people's paychecks against their will?
So apparently since people can't supply evidence, they'll just lump it with OJ Simpson and make stupid jokes based on other internet memes.
(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/267855_1961036100745_1088070025_31876823_1757377_n.jpg)
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 11, 2011, 01:39:40 PM
They need to listen to what I actually said. If you start from a position of no retirement, you'll go ahead and sign up, and of course you'll choose what you think is an appropriate contribution. But if you're signed up automatically, it becomes less of a priority, since you'll mostly have to go through the same paperwork for something you're already signed up for anyway.
Besides, what's his solution? Take even more of people's paychecks against their will?
Some people man...just some people.
QuoteBut the point is that there was less enrollment before the law was passed. What, did people think that they can live without retirement, so that is why they did not enroll before? Moreover, considering that many of the employees did not increase their contribution,and the issue quite important, I would easily argue for a lack of sound judgement here.
As for my solution, first, it's not about taking money against people's will. It's whether or not people can make sound and educated decisions about their retirement. They have showed poor judgement in both instances, and personally, my solution would be information. Reduce administrative procedures, create an easy access system that will provide information concerning my personal retirement plan. It is obvious that they can make complex computer models concerning retirement, so there is no reason why it can't be personalized, telling me how much I should save for a specific plan. The problem has been inertia, and only properly informing employees, and providing the proper means of getting information, can jump start the situation.
Basically, things were already bad, and the government made a sh!t job in fixing it- they didn't solve the problem, just shifted the emphasis. At least now we know where the problem lies, so a more precision strike is required in order to solve it. But I have to agree that I do not think that the government will do anything useful at this point. But nevertheless, this doesn't prevent the everyday employee from fixing the problem on a personal level.
QuoteBut the point is that there was less enrollment before the law was passed. What, did people think that they can live without retirement, so that is why they did not enroll before?
Or maybe they went with one of the THOUSANDS of other retirement plans that are out there!
QuoteIt's whether or not people can make sound and educated decisions about their retirement. They have showed poor judgement in both instances,
So we need government to come in and be our mommies. If ANYONE'S shown an inability to make sound and educated decisions, it's politicians!
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 11, 2011, 09:25:30 PM
Or maybe they went with one of the THOUSANDS of other retirement plans that are out there!
So we need government to come in and be our mommies. If ANYONE'S shown an inability to make sound and educated decisions, it's politicians!
So apparently this guy thinks that the government is supposed to be the ultimate source of information:
QuoteThe issue was enrollment in any retirement plan, not merely a particular one (that is, before the law was passed).
The reason why governments can't seem to make the right decisions (if they wanted to) is because they do not deal with the people on the ground and the front lines of the issues. They have lost their touch with reality, and they see the problems through numbers, not by events. What I am saying is that the government should do what they do best- be an information and coordination hub, and the main regulator of economic conditions, to prevent social Darwinism, in the manner of speaking.In particular, if the problem is indeed general lack of care due to a misunderstood issue, then you make the people understand by informing them. This can only be done by a government that is aware, which sadly, not much governments are.
QuoteThe issue was enrollment in any retirement plan, not merely a particular one (that is, before the law was passed).
But the SOLUTION was automatic enrollment in a SPECIFIC retirement plan--their employer's 401(k) plan.
How can government prevent social Darwinism when government is the only way you can HAVE social Darwinism?
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 11, 2011, 07:56:49 AM
FSBlueApocalypse: Can you click the little mp3 player icon next to it and get the mp3 download directly?
Yes, that is working fine for me. Thanks
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 12, 2011, 07:58:02 AM
But the SOLUTION was automatic enrollment in a SPECIFIC retirement plan--their employer's 401(k) plan.
How can government prevent social Darwinism when government is the only way you can HAVE social Darwinism?
This guy is persistent.
QuoteWhich did not solve anything, nor made things worse- it just shifted the balance. It's because of that shift that we saw the actual issue. Granted, this is not a justification of the project itself, it's simply that the government tried to solve a bad situation, and it failed- it didn't create the problem.
Let me clarify on that.If two people work the same job, have the same health plan, but one loses his house due to fact he has cancer and can no longer afford the premiums, and society lets that happen, then that is social Darwinism. On a similar note, if you are bettered by your competitor in a free market system, destitution should not be the price that one has to pay for their inequities, no matter how big they are. The government is the only body with the power and the means to fill the gaps, which it doesn't do as well as it should. It has become cumbersome, ineffective and even a strain on the population. Therefore, a reform is required, but the term "less government" should be emphasized to mean "a more effective government", and "less involvement" should mean "proper involvement".
Um, no. Social Darwinism is stuff like eugenics and fascism. It's an attempt to manage society from the top down, either directly through the elimination of undesirables, or indirectly through their oppression.
What you're talking about is just bad things happening. Bad things ALWAYS happen.
QuoteOn a similar note, if you are bettered by your competitor in a free market system, destitution should not be the price that one has to pay for their inequities
It's not. Starting a new business is. What's the alternative, propping up the losers with taxpayer money?
Wow, this Casey Anthony shit is getting out of hand.
Source (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2015138/Woman-looks-like-Casey-Anthony-attacked-Oklahoma-gas-station.html)
Woman who looks like Casey Anthony and has a daughter named Caylee 'nearly killed after she was driven off the road'QuoteAn Oklahoma woman said she could have died after a crazed woman who thought she was Casey Anthony chased her for miles and rammed her car off the road.
Sammay Blackwell, 26, said that the woman tried to kill her after she saw her working in a convenience store three days after the Florida mother was controversially found not guilty verdict of murdering her two-year-old daughter Caylee.
Shireen Nalley is accused of approaching Ms Blackwell in the store and telling her that she looked like Casey Anthony, before chasing her at the end of her shift and driving into her car.
Unbeknown to her alleged attacker, Ms Blackwell has a daughter named Caylee.
Ms Blackwell was working at the convenience store in Chouteau when Nalley came in at around 10pm last Friday.
She approached the store worker and allegedly told her, 'You look like Casey Anthony,' before leaving the store.
When Ms Blackwell finished worked at 10:30pm and began to drive her car away she spotted the woman watching her.
' began to back out and looked and I could tell she was staring directly at me. I could almost see the whites of her eyes,' said Ms Blackwell.
'I proceeded to pull out of the parking lot, and she was right behind me,' she told News 6.
Ms Blackwell said that the woman chased her down the road for several miles before suddenly ramming her van into the back of her truck.
'I said, "Oh my God, help me",' said Ms Blackwell.
She pulled into a parking lot to try to get away from her chaser, but Ms Nalley smashed into her car again.
'She hit me again, causing my vehicle to flip two and a half times, landing on the driver's side, and I just laid there playing dead,' said Ms Blackwell.
Police chased Ms Nalley and arrested her for assault and battery with a deadly weapon, leaving the scene of a vehicle collision, resisting arrest and reckless driving.
She told officers that she was 'trying to save the children'. Police said that she seemed to have taken drugs.
Ms Blackwell said: 'I don't look that much like her, so what about people who actually do look like her and live closer to Florida, instead of Oklahoma, what's going to happen to those people?'
Nalley is being held at Mayes County Jail.
Casey Anthony is due to be released from Orange County Jail in Florida on Sunday after she was found not guilty of killing her daughter.
It is reported that the 25-year-old may have surgery or use a disguise her to protect herself from possible attackers angry at the contentious verdict.
Quote from: D on July 15, 2011, 05:42:58 PM
Wow, this Casey Anthony shit is getting out of hand.
[url-http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2015138/Woman-looks-like-Casey-Anthony-attacked-Oklahoma-gas-station.html]Source[/url]
Woman who looks like Casey Anthony and has a daughter named Caylee 'nearly killed after she was driven off the road'
What.
The.
F#%&!?!?
Regarding the soap thing. As the saying goes: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
Quote from: Virgil0211 on July 15, 2011, 07:30:53 PM
What.
The.
F#%&!?!?
Ah, I was reading that article and it seems that part about the resemblance was fabricated by a tv station.
Well I've just had this exchange with Cynthia Boaz on Twitter, which probably should belong in Fail Quotes:
Cynthia Boaz @NeVahDa @pennjillette Libertarianism is not abt wanting freedom. It's abt not wanting to be accountable. It's the most immature ideology.
Shane Killian @cynthiaboaz @pennjillette Libertarianism is all about accountability for our actions, Cynthia. Don't dis something you know nothing about.
Cynthia Boaz @shanedk The fact that I've drawn a conclusion abt libertarianism that differs from you doesn't mean I know nothing abt it. How narcissistic
Shane Killian @cynthiaboaz It's not narcissism when you display the same ignorance of Libertarianism that the creationists do of biology.
Cynthia Boaz @shanedk Explain to me exactly how Libertarianism is "all about accountability for our actions." I don't think you understand the concept.
Shane Killian @cynthiaboaz Read "Healing Our World," "Libertarianism in One Lesson," or "The Great Libertarian Offer."
Shane Killian @cynthiaboaz In fact, I'll help you out: here's the first edition of Healing Our World for FREE: ruwart.com/Healing/rutoc....
Shane Killian @cynthiaboaz Besides, YOU'RE the one making the claim: YOU need to prove it's about UNaccountability. And you CAN'T.
Haven't heard back from her yet. I guess she's happily reading away and will at any point tweet me with an apology and how she's been wrong...{cough cough}