Play the Podcast (https://bogosity.podbean.com/2011/05/29/bogosity-podcast-for-30-may-2011/)
News of the Bogus:
- Supreme Court OKs Warrantless Searches http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2015072154_scotus17.html
Full ruling http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10pdf/09-1272.pdf - Doctors warn parents to keep newborns at home as whooping cough epidemic escalates http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/doctors-warn-parents-to-keep-newborns-at-home-as-whooping-cough-epidemic-escalates/story-e6freuy9-1226055946293
- Desperate plea by grieving parents http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/desperate-plea-by-grieving-parents/story-fn6e0s1g-1226055829326
- Treasury using federal pension funds opens up move to take 401K's http://www.examiner.com/finance-examiner-in-national/treasury-using-federal-pension-funds-opens-up-move-to-take-401k-s
- Council of Europe Seeks to BAN WiFi Wireless Networks and Mobiles in Schools http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2011/05/15/bad-science-at-the-council-of-europe/
- Bad Science at the Council of Europe http://www.ministryoftruth.me.uk/2011/05/15/bad-science-at-the-council-of-europe/
- The Committee's working paper http://assembly.coe.int/main.asp?Link=/documents/workingdocs/doc11/edoc12608.htm
- Dr. Bob Park on cancer and cell phones http://bobpark.physics.umd.edu/WN08/wn072508.html
- Cell phone + sperm = disaster http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20064779-501465.html
- Cellphones may harm male sperm quality http://m.theglobeandmail.com/life/health/new-health/conditions/sexual-health/cellphones-may-harm-male-sperm-quality/article2028775/?service=mobile
- Gupta: Cell phones, brain tumors and a wired earpiece http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/20/gupta-cell-phones-brain-tumors-and-a-wired-earpiece/
- NHS Waiting times on the rise http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=23&storycode=4129557&c=2
- Alternate link if above doesn't work: http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/newsarticle-content/-/article_display_list/12202663/waiting-times-on-the-rise
- Patients denied key treatments due to NHS cost-cutting, surgeons warn http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/apr/18/nhs-cost-cutting-surgeon-warning
Biggest Bogon Emitter: USA Today http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/2011-05-24-Dont-believe-national-debt-hype_n.htm
Idiot Extraordinaire: Justice Keith http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8532833/Mercy-for-witchcraft-girl-told-to-stab-mother.html
This Week's Quote: “One of the greatest delusions in the world is the hope that the evils in this world are to be cured by legislation.” —Thomas Brackett Reed
You have no idea how happy I am to see the story about the Canadian NHS. I tell people all the time about how Canada's healthcare isn't better than ours and in some cases is far worse due to long waiting for important surgeries, yet the worshipers of the omnipotent state cult claim that it's not true despite the fact that there is evidence to prove it. This is just another nail in their coffin as far as I'm concerned.
People cheering 18 month cap on waiting lists is just pathetic. For comparison, my lasik surgery had me seeing a doctor in 3 days for the consultation and less than a month later, I was free from glasses. This was COSMETIC surgery. Shouldn't we have HIGHER expectations for major treatments? This is not rocket science folks!
Anyway, in the interest of good record keeping, what say we go through the list of ammendments to see how it's holding up?
1. Free speech
They attack it every chance they get but the internet thankfully makes it nigh impossible to fully suppress. Worst is cases like marijuana clinics who aren't even allowed to present the facts to defend themselves. When the truth is inadmissable in court, you've got some problems.
2. Bear arms
Dead in some states and dying a slow death in others
Remind me of the others and how they're doing?
Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on May 29, 2011, 08:34:53 PM
Anyway, in the interest of good record keeping, what say we go through the list of amendments to see how it's holding up?
1. Free speech
They attack it every chance they get but the internet thankfully makes it nigh impossible to fully suppress. Worst is cases like marijuana clinics who aren't even allowed to present the facts to defend themselves. When the truth is inadmissible in court, you've got some problems.
2. Bear arms
Dead in some states and dying a slow death in others
Remind me of the others and how they're doing?
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As for the first item--and the Indiana Supreme Court rulings--as if I needed yet ANOTHER reason for anarchic common law.
Seriously, fuck anti-vaxxers.
"'The USA...carries $4.3 trillion in debt.'"
I think you meant "$14.3 trillion in debt." I just checked the article, and that was about what they said.
According to the U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time, the current US National Debt is $14.4 trillion (as of this posting). The source being the U.S. Treasury itself.
Note that this doesn't include unfunded liabilities OR local & municipal debt. Added together (as of this second), I get a figure of $131.3 trillion.
Not only that, but was I the only one disturbed by their use of GDP as if it was the government's income? That would mean they think the government owns ALL of EVERYONE's income, labor, etc.
Quote from: D.Turcotte on May 29, 2011, 07:59:34 PM
You have no idea how happy I am to see the story about the Canadian NHS.
Thanks, but this story was about the British NHS, not Canadian. Although Canada also has a problem with long wait times.
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on May 29, 2011, 10:33:35 PM
"'The USA...carries $4.3 trillion in debt.'"
I think you meant "$14.3 trillion in debt." I just checked the article, and that was about what they said.
Geez, how could I listen to that three times and not notice it???
QuoteNot only that, but was I the only one disturbed by their use of GDP as if it was the government's income? That would mean they think the government owns ALL of EVERYONE's income, labor, etc.
Exactly.
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 30, 2011, 06:53:26 AM
Thanks, but this story was about the British NHS, not Canadian. Although Canada also has a problem with long wait times.
I just noticed that. Either way though the same arguments can be applied, which is fine by me.
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 30, 2011, 06:59:17 AMGeez, how could I listen to that three times and not notice it???
You're quite welcome. ;) Ain't those bogons a bitch?
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 30, 2011, 06:59:17 AMExactly.
Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that.
Meh, a quick revisionist edit later and it's all good.
Might any of the future bogosity episode include the fear that was generated with the whole PSN hack/credit card scare, and remove the idea that it is possible to make things hack proof? The reason I ask is that I do not trust many journalist or even game journalist, mainly due to the sensationalistic feel that some new story's go. For instance some person takes $20, and some how this is translated to him stealing $100 or something.
Quote from: MrBogosity on May 30, 2011, 11:33:19 AM
Meh, a quick revisionist edit later and it's all good.
You mean "revision"? :P
It needs to be said that that's not all USA today cherry picked. Given the figures I cited ($131.3 trillion) for the all of the USA's states, local governments, the federal government's debt AND the unfunded liabilities, doing the math, you get a debt to GDP ratio of 8.96 (rounded up as that number keep going up, such that it will have validity for a bit longer, of course).
However, as I've already explained morally, and you economically, you don't use GDP as the "income" of government. After all, that isn't "our" debt. It's the government's.
You'd have to use total tax revenues, which, according to the U.S. National Debt Clock would be roughly $4.6 trillion.
That gives an "income to debt" ratio of roughly 29. That's a LOT higher than their quoted "1 to 1 ratio".
Quote from: kiri2tsubasa on May 30, 2011, 11:59:53 AM
Might any of the future bogosity episode include the fear that was generated with the whole PSN hack/credit card scare, and remove the idea that it is possible to make things hack proof? The reason I ask is that I do not trust many journalist or even game journalist, mainly due to the sensationalistic feel that some new story's go. For instance some person takes $20, and some how this is translated to him stealing $100 or something.
This might make a good later topic due to its relevance to certain listeners, but I'm afraid the gamers here aren't techies (to my knowledge) and the techies aren't gamers, so I dont know how easy it would be to report on.
Not for nothin but your links on the anti-vaccination stuff were not very helpful. Maybe it's just me but an article of one child dying just doesn't serve as any kind of evidence to me. I'm sure there are stories out there where a child died because of a vaccination too. What would be more helpful is something with the total numbers of deaths from both. Show how as the vaccination rate decreases then the illness rate increases. Things like 'there were 76 cases of measles in the UK in 2005 and 374 cases in 2010 which happens to be a period of time when their vaccination levels dropped to eighty percent instead of the recommended ninety five percent and they ended their fourteen year streak of no measles related deaths in 2006.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/4871728.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/4871728.stm)
http://www.hpa.org.uk/hpr/news/ (http://www.hpa.org.uk/hpr/news/)
Also don't be so obviously one sided. I think normally you are very good about talking about one side of the issue then the correct side but this week it seemed you understated the opposing side of the argument.
Look at the other sources. That one example was just to put a human face on the statistics; the statistics show it quite clearly.
And if anything, I'm giving the anti-vaccine side MORE respect than they deserve. If I were honestly assessing their actions, I'd be accusing them of infanticide!
Considering the anti vaccination crowd to date have failed to produce even one drop of evidence backing up their claims, I wonder how one even COULD understate their side of the argument.
In this podcast you said "... in the 1960's we had the cheapest most accessible health care system in the world, almost everyone was covered and those that weren't were covered by free clinics and charity hospitals that were everywhere"
Please source this information.... I'm having trouble with my google-fu
I cull all sorts of information from lots of sources over many years. But my Googling found this article which seems to explain it pretty well: http://freenation.org/a/f12l3.html
I've shown this to NHS fanatics. They don't merely say it's wrong or try to argue it. They just plain refuse to read it. It's so pathetic...