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Am I wrong? But, is this nothing but an appeal to emotion, followed by a link to some scientific papers, then him just using them as a basis for a line of thought of:
"In free markets, companies go bust, which causes unemployment, which causes crime, so free markets are bad."
(So he would advocate government bailouts of companies?)
I think the premise is, free markets are unstable, so they need to be made stable via government.
Please don't go off what I say here, watch the videos, but I think that's his gist?
Hey, it's that lizardman again...
Dont drink the water! They put mind controling moths into it.
The Vogter video this guy is responding to is probably the dumbest thing I have ever seen. I am serious. I thought that Vogter is a kinda smart guy who simply has a bit of the woo woos in his head, but no. He is just BAT SHIT STUPID.
He makes Glenn Beck look like Brian Cox.
At least Beck does get it right once in a while.
Quote from: MrBogosity on March 15, 2010, 06:00:35 PM
He makes Glenn Beck look like Brian Cox.
I didn't watch the videos but I think this says all that needs to be said.
I think that he's honest but unfortunatly he just fails. This has been up for a while but no one seems to have posted much of anything in return.
1. Your entire premise is that capitalism causes instability and that therefore capitalism must be abolished. This is false as all capitalism can do is to create massive surpluses of goods and services. The more goods there are the more stable your society will be. People today don't have to worry about starvation because there are a massive amount of goods which are dirt cheap.
2. The state instigates the boom/bust cycle which increases instability
3. The state decreases productivity which increases prices and therefore decreases stability
4. The state stops places which are far, far more unstable than the area you currently living in from becoming more stable by allowing various buisnesses and so forth to develope and mobility of labor.
5. I'm sorry population rates worldwide were increasing dramatically far before the end of WWII.
6. The further increase in population rates were due to the massive post world war II boom caused by massive new free markets coming online and the fact that during the war the labor unions were discarded and smashed.
7. All real and healthy rises in wages are a result of increased productivity, not because of arbitrary whims of things like minimum wage and other legislation.
8. They want to hit the reset button in order to view what would happen with the new technological increases culminating with full free market competition. When the free markets were originally introduced they were attempting to recover from 5,000 years of state induced poverty and war (everywhere outside of America and America felt this result as a byproduct)
9. These organizations which supposedly cause stability have their voluntary counterparts on the free market. Your very concern about stability shows that there is a demand for associations which attempt to make the livelihood of each and every person more stable, there is no reason why the state is required for this. All the removal of the state from, say, agencies which will provide unemployment benefits in the case of one of its members losing their job, would do is to actually introduce societal demand, that is what people are actually WILLING TO PAY for this, and competition to see who can provide the best benefits at the lowest cost.
10. Everything you are advocating goes against the demands of society and towards barbarism where people sate their whims arbitrarily and then pursue these ends with force.
11. You repeatedly imply that all of these gains are confined within the system of capitalism, but socialism by its very nature is unstable and cannot price things correctly bringing the economy into chaos, it also removes the competition mechanism which will stunt development and raise costs. It also leads to shortages that will inherently increase the amount of disparity and instability.
12. You talk about greed... I'm sure that the minute that we get the state to do things that there will be no greed whatsoever. Also you're very greedy for wanting everyone to conform to your standards. I wish that I could see a single f***ing attack against greed that understood what greed was.