This is how desperate the dogmatists over on the very-misnamed "League of Reason" are getting in their attempts to discredit me:
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Gee, I'm so sorry I didn't get into the three-body problem in the HALF A SECOND I had left in the YouTube time limit...
...what's the problem? As far as I can tell, your statement wasn't wrong. It didn't go into all the details but it wasn't wrong.
He's taking the Expelled route: show a brief clip out of context, then cut to stock footage to incur ridicule.
Of course, I didn't have time to go into all the details, but my response was twofold:
1) Satellites do have to make adjustments all the time. There's drag from atmosphere (not as much with geosynchronous satellites, but it's still there), orbital tugs from the sun, moon, etc., and relativistic effects. All of these things confirm an orbiting Earth and even relativity.
2) Since satellites have to make these adjustments, they need fuel, and when they run out of fuel they reach the end of their operational lifespan. So the more fuel the satellite has once it's in orbit the longer it can operate, saving money. Launching from the equator gives the rocket a 1600 km/h boost, meaning the rocket needs less fuel, meaning the payload can be greater, meaning the satellite can have more fuel, lengthening its life. This could only happen if the Earth were rotating.
I had to be briefer than that, of course, but they showed none of that.
The whole thing's an irony. They accused me of not really being a skeptic, just using skepticism to gain false credibility, when that's exactly what they're doing!
The League of Reason are false skeptics producing bogosity.
I see. I've never run into them before but I'll remember this in case I do. Disgraceful indeed.
I remember reading some of that same guy's posts on the League of Reason forums. I never joined, but still read them.
He's a complete ignoramus. Little more than a sophistic pile of garbage. There's no point in discussing anything with him. Hell, his use of "V" as an avatar is almost disgustingly hypocritical.
I got the same treatment from pretty much everyone there when I was a member...which wasn't long.
Oh, god!
Not that dogmatic piece of shit for brains, MasterGhostKnight again. >_<
He's the same fucktard who said claimed in an argument with me and Shane that people must be worth what they can get from their job, otherwise I'd be contradicting myself.
Needless to say, I stopped after that: it wasn't worth my time dealing with that creationist wannabe.
What a prick he is.
Quote from: Virgil0211 on October 28, 2009, 02:22:26 PM
I remember reading some of that same guy's posts on the League of Reason forums. I never joined, but still read them.
He's a complete ignoramus. Little more than a sophistic pile of garbage. There's no point in discussing anything with him. Hell, his use of "V" as an avatar is almost disgustingly hypocritical.
Same could be said of:
Anarchist Cain (Laughing Man), Daniel, Harry Felkner and a few others from the Mises Forum...
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 28, 2009, 04:01:17 PM
I got the same treatment from pretty much everyone there when I was a member...which wasn't long.
They banned you???
Did you try to post more about capitalism, or were they still sore about that last time regarding healthcare?
I just got up the stomach to watch that guy's video.
My opinion is:
I'll say as much, MGK seems to know his math and satellite physics, I'll give him that (can't say for sure, as I'm not that qualified in the area). However, he could have used a different color font at times so it didn't blend in with the background, and maybe took another course in English so his sentences would make better sense...
The biggest problem: He uses an equivocation fallacy. Shane is clearly talking about artificial satellites, not nature ones. MGK would have had to have downloaded that video to edit it in: There's no way he could not have known that.
Somebody tell me when the creator of that video proof reads his shit, then get back to me. Half-way through I've decided that an 11-year old made it trying to win a contest for most egotistical.
Okay okay, I just watched the whole thing, including the end. I shared some of my thoughts on his video's comment page.
From what I gather, he's doing something like "clip mining" where he's taking your clips out of context, and tries to make you seem like a fool for answering something completely irrelevant out of context.
So, apparently you explaining that Satellites need fuel and have a "lifespan," is somehow your answer to something else... when it was stating something different.. and, the statement wasn't even wrong to begin with.
The way he's answering his comments and the way he did this video kind of reminds me of the way Creationists reply and deal with people they disagree with... And trust me, I have a large amount of experience in talking with Creationists.
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 29, 2009, 06:33:30 AM
No, I just left in disgust.
Same here with the Mises forum.
Quote from: MrBogosity on October 28, 2009, 12:08:16 PM
He's taking the Expelled route: show a brief clip out of context, then cut to stock footage to incur ridicule.
Of course, I didn't have time to go into all the details, but my response was twofold:
1) Satellites do have to make adjustments all the time. There's drag from atmosphere (not as much with geosynchronous satellites, but it's still there), orbital tugs from the sun, moon, etc., and relativistic effects. All of these things confirm an orbiting Earth and even relativity.
2) Since satellites have to make these adjustments, they need fuel, and when they run out of fuel they reach the end of their operational lifespan. So the more fuel the satellite has once it's in orbit the longer it can operate, saving money. Launching from the equator gives the rocket a 1600 km/h boost, meaning the rocket needs less fuel, meaning the payload can be greater, meaning the satellite can have more fuel, lengthening its life. This could only happen if the Earth were rotating.
I had to be briefer than that, of course, but they showed none of that.
The whole thing's an irony. They accused me of not really being a skeptic, just using skepticism to gain false credibility, when that's exactly what they're doing!
The League of Reason are false skeptics producing bogosity.
Apparently the person who made this video thinks you meant that all objects need engines to orbit the earth, including the moon. He claims that you think the moon has a rocket attached to it.
Quote from: IceSage on October 30, 2009, 10:14:48 PM
Apparently the person who made this video thinks you meant that all objects need engines to orbit the earth, including the moon. He claims that you think the moon has a rocket attached to it.
Maybe...
He doesn't actually think that; he's lying to try and discredit me.
I do believe I already noted his error and the point you both are making in a previous on page one of this thread.
As I pointed out; in order for him to have used your video, he would have had to have downloaded it and (presumably) watched the whole thing or at least parts of it in order to find the parts he needed.
There's no excuse for him not to have known the proper context of your points.
On the above video
Lord T Hawkeye: "Quote mining that would impress Ben Stein."
MasterGhostKnight: "I seriously have litle patient for stupid people that didn't even bother to look at the original video. If that shit was quote mined I'm Santa caluse."
MAJOR FAIL
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on October 31, 2009, 09:09:37 PM
On the above video
Lord T Hawkeye: "Quote mining that would impress Ben Stein."
MasterGhostKnight: "I seriously have litle patient for stupid people that didn't even bother to look at the original video. If that shit was quote mined I'm Santa caluse."
MAJOR FAIL
He's the best Santa "caluse" around.
[Bugs Bunny voice] "Heh heh heh...What a caluse!"
He's yet to make part2. He said there was a part2 coming soon. I've yet to see it.
I honestly need some entertainment from YouTube, a lot of the people I'm subscribed to don't update much anymore or are boring. And some of them don't work on anything new and just re-upload videos in HD instead.
Oh, wait. =P
(I wants my news bogosities!!!!111oneone)
Sorry, I've had a sore throat all week. I've got a rebuttal of the moon hoaxer Apollo 15 flag ready to go as soon as it's better.
They're at it again:
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I really don't know what they think they're accomplishing, other than the destruction of every bit of credibility they (don't) have...
Hahaha, he put my best comment into his latest video... Which, made no sense for him to do... since it had a +2 rating, and had nothing to do with the actual video.
Haha, people like this guy and Bandershot really make me want to do YouTube videos.
Here's what this Wunderkind just said on my video (the one he's responding to):
"Unfortunatly you don't have the slightest clue about the subject. I can have all the force that I want and have absolutly no acelaration"
He then claims, "This is not a matter for debate, this is what I do for a living." He's going against f=ma!
Right, it's NOT a matter for debate: if acceleration is zero, so is the force--by definition!
The funny thing is... He thinks he's some hotshot trying to discredit you... But the only actual people who even watch his videos are basically us, the forum people and subscribers who notice the video reply.
Apparently not even his cronies over at the forum he keeps plugging want to back him up.
He keeps making non-sequitors off the top of his head that don't even make sense.
I also love how he can't answer how alien life would determine that seeing green would immediately mean there's life on that planet.
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 11, 2009, 10:58:29 AM
Here's what this Wunderkind just said on my video (the one he's responding to):
"Unfortunatly you don't have the slightest clue about the subject. I can have all the force that I want and have absolutly no acelaration"
He then claims, "This is not a matter for debate, this is what I do for a living." He's going against f=ma!
Right, it's NOT a matter for debate: if acceleration is zero, so is the force--by definition!
Don't you mean sum of the forces, or net force?
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 11, 2009, 07:22:35 AM
They're at it again:
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I really don't know what they think they're accomplishing, other than the destruction of every bit of credibility they (don't) have...
Oh god!
Not this asshole again. >_<
I still remember the horrible quality, grammar, spelling, and poor production quality of his last video...
I get the impression this one is just as bad....
I'd love to see spreading the muse rip into this guy.
Quote from: IceSage on November 11, 2009, 03:42:41 PM
The funny thing is... He thinks he's some hotshot trying to discredit you... But the only actual people who even watch his videos are basically us, the forum people and subscribers who notice the video reply.
I just took a look at the League of Reason forums. Nobody even acknowledges his thread or presence there. Oh, by the way... why would anyone even want to join that place? It's barren as hell.
My first post there (since it was ostensibly set up to fight invalid DMCA claims) was a post about my experience fighting them and a link to the DMCA counter-claim, as well as a link to a PDF file made as a guide by and for documentarians about fair use.
I was flamed for it.
The only other thread I participated in was a health care thread, where I posted several links to statistical analyses and scientific papers, and I was flamed right and left for making stupid dogmatic claims with no evidence (no one even ACKNOWLEDGED the links I had posted), all the while claiming they had the evidence while refusing to post ANY.
The "League of Reason" is NOTHING of the kind.
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 12, 2009, 06:26:36 AM
My first post there (since it was ostensibly set up to fight invalid DMCA claims) was a post about my experience fighting them and a link to the DMCA counter-claim, as well as a link to a PDF file made as a guide by and for documentarians about fair use.
I was flamed for it.
The only other thread I participated in was a health care thread, where I posted several links to statistical analyses and scientific papers, and I was flamed right and left for making stupid dogmatic claims with no evidence (no one even ACKNOWLEDGED the links I had posted), all the while claiming they had the evidence while refusing to post ANY.
The "League of Reason" is NOTHING of the kind.
As a person who tried to help Shane in the latter, I can definitely vouch for what he says here...
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on November 11, 2009, 09:13:18 PM
Don't you mean sum of the forces, or net force?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_laws_of_motion#Newton.27s_second_law
See?
It's not force, but rather, the sum of the forces.
As many problems with this law I've done, I should know. X_X
Okay, let's consider pressure:
The SI unit of pressure is the Pascal (Pa). Pascal is N/m^2. Since a Newton is a kg*(m/s^2), we can resolve the equation as:
1 Pa = 1 kg(m/s^2)/m^2
So, pressure is (mass * ACCELERATION) / area. The acceleration component IS there.
Quote from: MrBogosity on November 12, 2009, 04:55:00 PM
Okay, let's consider pressure:
The SI unit of pressure is the Pascal (Pa). Pascal is N/m^2. Since a Newton is a kg*(m/s^2), we can resolve the equation as:
1 Pa = 1 kg(m/s^2)/m^2
So, pressure is (mass * ACCELERATION) / area. The acceleration component IS there.
I never said the units weren't there. Again, I'm an Engineering Student, I should know.
I'm saying you're wrong about Newton's Second Law; it uses the sum of the forces.
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He claims Shane, "moved the goalposts" because Shane first used the word "you" (meaning either his viewers of Kawel), to that of aliens, when it was clear he was using it as an illustration to explain his first point that green != sign of life.
I also facepalmed when I saw that he strawmanned Shane about satillite orbits. He was obviously talking about articial ones, not the natural ones. This is blatant by the fact that he talks about the launches from the equator and the like.
For someone who claims to be very good at understanding English, he sure doesn't do a good job.
Either
1. He's a liar
2. He's a dumbass.
Either way, he's still wrong.
I can't even parse what the fuck he's talking about in the end.
What's more, he kept going on about how he'll, "debunk his politics", well, MGK if you're reading this, DO IT ALREADY!
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:)
Wow! That's quite a gauntlet he threw down!
Indeed. :)
Also, here's a comment I posted on Ladyattis''s video:
"It's been a month since he [MasterGhostKnight] first posted his original video attacking ShaneDK.
It's been four days since this [Ladyattis's] video, and still nothing else from him.
At the risk of jinxing it, it's safe to say that MGK is a little chicken-shit, with nothing else.
Until I see otherwise, I'm convinced he won't even be trying to debunk anyone's politics (negative claim with no burden of proof = win).
And even if MGK did, if history is any teacher, it would just be more of his wordsmith bitching.
To MasterGhostKnight, if you are reading this: Fuck you."