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Quote from: Skm1091 on January 12, 2014, 02:06:23 AM
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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/nsa-nullification-california
California doing sometihng sensible?
the world is coming to an end... :P
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on January 12, 2014, 02:47:16 AM
California doing sometihng sensible?
the world is coming to an end... :P
Well, no. So far, it's only that one legislature proposing a bill. If it passes (which I don't think it will), you can pretty much count on the Federal Gov't taking California to court and California losing.
Quote from: dallen68 on January 12, 2014, 03:12:57 AM
Well, no. So far, it's only that one legislature proposing a bill. If it passes (which I don't think it will), you can pretty much count on the Federal Gov't taking California to court and California losing.
yeah, I know. that's why I put the :P smiley.
still, the fact that this has been proposed is a step forward.
Well we have to start somewhere.
http://offnow.org/2014/01/06/california-lawmakers-introduce-fourth-amendment-protection-act/
Looks like California is not the only state.
http://offnow.org/2014/01/05/missouri-legislation-ban-state-data-sharing-nsa/
Indiana is also in
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/01/14/1269603/-Indiana-legislation-takes-aim-at-NSA-spying#
ZOMG that's that state nullification stuff! RACISTS!!! NEO-CONFEDERATES!!!
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 15, 2014, 02:57:16 PM
ZOMG that's that state nullification stuff! RACISTS!!! NEO-CONFEDERATES!!!
The part I'm having difficulty with is the part about denying water/electricy. I have a hard time seeing a court up holding that. It's such an egregious thing, that I fear an otherwise good legislation will be tossed because of it. It may be different if EVERYTHING about the NSA was illegal, but it's not. The law, I feel, that the court would uphold would be one that says, "(state) shall provide no material support to a Federal Agency
while it is engaging in unconstitutional activities . Merely being present is not unconstitutional. Plus, sometimes, the NSA actually does get a warrant.
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 15, 2014, 02:57:16 PMZOMG that's that state nullification stuff! RACISTS!!! NEO-CONFEDERATES!!!
It's mentalities like the that you are poking fun of why I raise an eyebrow when Fenris The Red Wolf says he won't be a libertarian because of an " Unwillingness to side with those who so openly associate with closet confederates like Ron Paul, blatant Neo-Confederates like Lew Rockwell..." Especially in light of nullification being used AGAINST slavery laws back then IIRC.
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 15, 2014, 02:57:16 PM
ZOMG that's that state nullification stuff! RACISTS!!! NEO-CONFEDERATES!!!
My response: then how come California is in on it, and Indiana is a NORTHERN STATE!
Quote from: Skm1091 on January 15, 2014, 04:56:18 PM
My response: then how come California is in on it, and Indiana is a NORTHERN STATE!
That was my response quite some time ago... http://podcast.bogosity.tv/bogosity-podcast-for-18-april-2011/ (BBE segment)
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 15, 2014, 06:33:25 PM
That was my response quite some time ago... http://podcast.bogosity.tv/bogosity-podcast-for-18-april-2011/ (BBE segment)
Oh yeah I remember that one. This was before I joined the forum or even before I started chatting with ya.
Washington State
http://offnow.org/2014/01/15/washington-state-bill-criminalize-help-nsa-turn-resources-yakima-facility/
http://offnow.org/2014/01/17/nsa-reforms-window-dressing/
New Hampshire is in
http://offnow.org/2014/01/23/new-hampshire-bills-ban-warrantless-searches-use-data-court/
Tennessee
http://benswann.com/breaking-tennessee-files-historic-legislation-throws-nsa-facility-out-of-state/
Mississippi
http://offnow.org/2014/01/24/mississippi-now-tenth-state-consider-legislation-ban-cooperation-nsa/
*has his fingers crossed for Maryland, his home state*
Kansas
http://offnow.org/2014/01/30/kansas-4th-amendment-protection-act-protecting-privacy-rights-2/
Vermont
http://offnow.org/2014/01/31/twelve-counting-vermont-legislation-takes-nsa-spying/
Alaska
http://offnow.org/2014/01/31/alaska-legislation-takes-aim-warrantless-spying-nsa-federal-agencies/
Arizona again
http://offnow.org/2014/02/03/first-nation-arizona-senate-committee-passes-4th-amendment-protection-act/
Quote from: Skm1091 on February 04, 2014, 07:35:32 PM
Arizona again
http://offnow.org/2014/02/03/first-nation-arizona-senate-committee-passes-4th-amendment-protection-act/
...The same state that elected and cheered for Joe Arpaio??? O_O Damn. There might still be hope for my state too if that and freakin' California went for this.
Fingers Crossed for North Carolina.
Quote from: tnu on February 05, 2014, 02:24:14 PM
Fingers Crossed for North Carolina.
Pretty much all the politicians in our state--Democrat and Republican--are ardent nationalists. I'd be REALLY surprised if they did this.
Quote from: tnu on February 05, 2014, 02:24:14 PM
Fingers Crossed for North Carolina.
Fingers crossed fro my state
Quote from: Skm1091 on February 05, 2014, 03:31:05 PM
Fingers crossed for my state
You're from California, right? I think this thread started because of said state actually doing this.
But yeah, I got my fingers crossed for my home state of Maryland.
Quote from: Travis Retriever on February 05, 2014, 03:45:07 PM
You're from California, right? I think this thread started because of said state actually doing this.
But yeah, I got my fingers crossed for my home state of Maryland.
yep. What's sad is that my state is the second least freest state right above New York.
Quote from: Skm1091 on February 05, 2014, 04:13:38 PM
yep. What's sad is that my state is the second least freest state right above New York.
True. Though to be fair, I don't think my state of Maryland isn't too far behind. >.<
Quote from: Travis Retriever on February 05, 2014, 05:52:55 PM
True. Though to be fair, I don't think my state of Maryland isn't too far behind. >.<
Your state is ranked at 44th
Lol
THe only thing good about my state is the weather and the amusement parks. Our gun laws and regulatory burdens etc etc suck balls.
Quote from: Skm1091 on February 05, 2014, 06:17:56 PMYour state is ranked at 44th
I'm shocked, I tell ya', shocked. >.< One reason my family was considering moving to TN instead. >.> Much more free.
Quote from: Skm1091 on February 05, 2014, 06:17:56 PMThe only thing good about my state is the weather and the amusement parks. Our gun laws and regulatory burdens etc etc suck balls.
Eh, well there's that too.
Quote from: Travis Retriever on February 05, 2014, 06:19:32 PM
I'm shocked, I tell ya', shocked. >.< One reason my family was considering moving to TN instead. >.> Much more free.
Eh, well there's that too.
I guess that's a good choice it is in the top five freest states
Oklahoma
http://offnow.org/2014/02/05/second-state-legislator-files-bill-block-nsa-oklahoma/
Quote from: Travis Retriever on February 05, 2014, 06:19:32 PM
I'm shocked, I tell ya', shocked. >.< One reason my family was considering moving to TN instead. >.> Much more free.
Eh, well there's that too.
screw Tennesee: go for the Dakotas: you guys can settle in the Black Hills, and one of you can work the Oil fields and bring big bucks.
Maryland T dog
http://offnow.org/2014/02/10/nullify-nsa-campaign-agencys-front-door-maryland-bill-bans-state-resources-spy-agency/
Quote from: Skm1091 on February 10, 2014, 12:11:41 PM
Maryland T dog
http://offnow.org/2014/02/10/nullify-nsa-campaign-agencys-front-door-maryland-bill-bans-state-resources-spy-agency/
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Also, as I said in this thread: https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=2356.0 Call me Travis. :) And yes, last username change, I promise. :)
Missouri
http://offnow.org/2014/02/11/missouri-senate-committee-passes-anti-nsa-amendment-protect-electronic-data/
Utah
http://offnow.org/2014/02/12/utah-legislator-introduces-bill-cut-nsas-water-supply/
Utah Again
http://offnow.org/2014/03/03/utah-house-passes-bill-end-gathering-use-unconstitutionally-gathered-data/
http://offnow.org/2014/03/05/oregon-state-senator-plans-ballot-initiative-thwart-surveillance-state/
Oregon
http://offnow.org/2014/03/27/tennessee-bill-ban-warrantless-data-moves-forward/
Tennessee
What's sad is that you have to rely on a group of assholes to try to nullify an even bigger group of assholes from spying on you.
Quote from: nilecroc on March 31, 2014, 09:47:29 AM
What's sad is that you have to rely on a group of assholes to try to nullify an even bigger group of assholes from spying on you.
And then you get another group of assholes who want to make sure you don't know history pretend that nullification has been used for precisely the opposite purposes than it really has been.
Quote from: evensgrey on March 31, 2014, 10:24:00 AM
And then you get another group of assholes who want to make sure you don't know history pretend that nullification has been used for precisely the opposite purposes than it really has been.
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http://offnow.org/2014/04/08/tech-companies-lobby-hard-kill-bills-targeting-nsa/
Illinois
http://offnow.org/2014/04/09/illinois-senate-passes-bill-ban-warrantless-cellphone-tracking-52-0/
My Navy brother says that NSA spying is ok because private companies do it too, but he doesn't realize that it's because the NSA changes the way they collect data from directly to indirectly. They will still sustain the database in Utah, but they will basically require companies like Apple to collect data
http://fortune.com/2015/12/01/nsa-phone-bulk-collection-end/