This is another argument used by gun control advocates is the Japan.
(http://www.lonelyplanet.com/maps/asia/japan/map_of_japan.jpg)
There is one problem with this argument and that is look at Japan's neighboring country (Look on the Map)
(http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/graphic/map-south-korea-360x270-cb1352148298.gif)
South Korea
South Korea has even stricter laws to that of Japan yet their homicide rate is 8 times higher than Japans. And South Korea has oceans on both sides and at the north one of the most heavily guarded borders on earth (absolutely impossible for smuggling). They are also an economically developed country so this argument of poor nation is BULLSHIT!!
More on Homicide rates for each country
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compare/170/number_of_homicides_any_method/91
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compare/170/rate_of_homicide_any_method/91
Other Comparisons
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compare/170/number_of_privately_owned_firearms/91
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compare/170/firearm_regulation_-_guiding_policy/91
Not only that, but Japan is culturally and ethnically homogeneous, and ethnically homogeneous areas tend to have less crime. Last time I checked, 98.5% of the Japanese population consists of ethnic Japanese. (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ja.html)
Quote from: Skm1091 on January 10, 2014, 06:17:46 PM
[South Korea is] also an economically developed country so this argument of poor nation is BULLSHIT!!
People are seriously trying to argue that South Korea is poor? Um, they do know it's North Korea that's the poor one, right? And aren't these the same people who think money is evil/corrupts? Shouldn't that mean the homicide rate in poorer countries should be *lower* not the higher that they're arguing?
*EDIT* And yeah, what BreadGod said too.
Quote from: T dog on January 10, 2014, 06:31:30 PM
People are seriously trying to argue that South Korea is poor? Um, they do know it's North Korea that's the poor one, right? And aren't these the same people who think money is evil/corrupts? Shouldn't that mean the homicide rate in poorer countries should be *lower* not the higher that they're arguing?
*EDIT* And yeah, what BreadGod said too.
What I meant was people would make an after the fact rationalization that gun control would not work in a poor nation. South Korea obviously proves this argument as a big pile of steaming horse shit.
Quote from: BreadGod on January 10, 2014, 06:27:35 PM
Not only that, but Japan is culturally and ethnically homogeneous, and ethnically homogeneous areas tend to have less crime. Last time I checked, 98.5% of the Japanese population consists of ethnic Japanese. (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ja.html)
South Korea is also in the same boat. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ks.html
Yo Guys I found something really funky. Taiwan (Republic of China)
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQdrOgpvuLqPOm7Tdk7ztH3eZet85hv5D4QPue65klhHlRNupV7Rw)
Taiwan's gun laws are just as strict as any of the other two countries I have mentioned and the funny thing is it has the highest rate out of the three.
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/taiwan
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compare/180/rate_of_homicide_any_method/170,91
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compareyears/180/rate_of_homicide_any_method
How the frig did it go that high?! (see chart bellow)
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compareyears/180/rate_of_homicide_any_method
Quote from: Skm1091 on January 10, 2014, 09:00:46 PM
Yo Guys I found something really funky. Taiwan (Republic of China)
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQdrOgpvuLqPOm7Tdk7ztH3eZet85hv5D4QPue65klhHlRNupV7Rw)
Taiwan's gun laws are just as strict as any of the other two countries I have mentioned and the funny thing is it has the highest rate out of the three.
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/taiwan
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compare/180/rate_of_homicide_any_method/170,91
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compareyears/180/rate_of_homicide_any_method
How the frig did it go that high?! (see chart bellow)
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compareyears/180/rate_of_homicide_any_method
damn, what happened in 1994 to cause the crime to shoot up like that?
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on January 10, 2014, 09:26:04 PM
damn, what happened in 1994 to cause the crime to shoot up like that?
No clue. I've been looking into that.
Also Taiwan is a Developed country. These gun control advocates will always make an after the fact rationalization that goes along this line.
"well the reason it didn't work is because the nation isn't developed so their law enforcement is weak"
As you can see here that argument is absolute horse shit!
To all of you gun control advocates out there. Better come up with a better argument or
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Quote from: Skm1091 on January 10, 2014, 09:00:46 PM
Yo Guys I found something really funky. Taiwan (Republic of China)
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQdrOgpvuLqPOm7Tdk7ztH3eZet85hv5D4QPue65klhHlRNupV7Rw)
Taiwan's gun laws are just as strict as any of the other two countries I have mentioned and the funny thing is it has the highest rate out of the three.
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/taiwan
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compare/180/rate_of_homicide_any_method/170,91
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compareyears/180/rate_of_homicide_any_method
How the frig did it go that high?! (see chart bellow)
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compareyears/180/rate_of_homicide_any_method
Taiwan is famously violent. When was the last time you heard of a fist fight breaking out in the legislature of any OTHER country while it was in session?
Herp, derp, but it's GUN HOMICIDE we are arguing, you stupid LOLbertarian! Not total homicides! Stop reading Ayn Rand!
Quote from: VectorM on January 11, 2014, 12:54:19 PM
Herp, derp, but it's GUN HOMICIDE we are arguing, you stupid LOLbertarian! Not total homicides! Stop reading Ayn Rand!
Overall Homicide > Gun Homicide
Quote from: Skm1091 on January 11, 2014, 01:43:04 PM
Overall Homicide > Gun Homicide
To add to this, doesn't this tell you that these people doesn't actually care about crime and all they care about is something they don't like?
Quote from: evensgrey on January 11, 2014, 09:50:30 AM
Taiwan is famously violent. When was the last time you heard of a fist fight breaking out in the legislature of any OTHER country while it was in session?
damn, and I though Iraqis were unruly...how did they get into a fight like that?
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on January 11, 2014, 11:48:54 PM
damn, and I though Iraqis were unruly...how did they get into a fight like that?
Oh yea
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2383620/Mass-fight-Taiwanese-parliament-debate-nuclear-power.html
Are you sure this isn't some sort of tradition? :P
figures: beating each other up over nuclear energy...
@ VectorM: it was in the US in the early days...:P
Quote from: evensgrey on January 11, 2014, 09:50:30 AM
Taiwan is famously violent. When was the last time you heard of a fist fight breaking out in the legislature of any OTHER country while it was in session?
It's happened more than once in the British Parliament.
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 12, 2014, 08:54:26 AM
It's happened more than once in the British Parliament.
Yes, but the last time anyone actually threw a punch there was in 1972. (OK, there have been two incidents in State legislatures in the US since then, but nothing at the Federal level.)
Taiwan has had at least five notable incidents in the last decade (and that's because the article I found only contains the most recent incident). The local term for it is "legislative brawling". They may have collectively decided to cool it after a fight in 2007 put at least one person in hospital.