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Statists
Mystical Entity-The State
Messiah-Anyone in State particularly very bad ones. Ex. Castro, Kim Jong Un, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Chavez etc.
Fairy tale of Choice-Mein Kempf/ Communist Manifesto, any book that reveres the state.
Logical Paradox of the Mystical Entity- The State is good and all-Powerful, yet instead of people's lives getting better they get substandard housing, substandard healthcare, growing poverty(result of welfare, taxes and destroyed job opportunities), never ending spending on entitlements, crime, wars and corruption since around several thousand BCE.
Reason used in Dismissing Paradoxes- The State did not do enough. Translation: We did not use enough leeches heeerdurfff!
Impart of Facts, Evidence, or Historical Precedent on Rigid Belief System- None!
Your rebuttals?
Quote from: Skm1091 on August 09, 2013, 03:22:12 PM
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Statists
Mystical Entity-The State
Messiah-Anyone in State particularly very bad ones. Ex. Castro, Kim Jong Un, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Chavez etc.
Fairy tale of Choice-Mein Kempf/ Communist Manifesto, any book that reveres the state.
Logical Paradox of the Mystical Entity- The State is good and all-Powerful, yet instead of people's lives getting better they get substandard housing, substandard healthcare, growing poverty(result of welfare, taxes and destroyed job opportunities), never ending spending on entitlements, crime, wars and corruption since around several thousand BCE.
Reason used in Dismissing Paradoxes- The State did not do enough. Translation: We did not use enough leeches heeerdurfff!
Impart of Facts, Evidence, or Historical Precedent on Rigid Belief System- None!
Your rebuttals?
You forgot Obama in the Messiah section.
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on August 09, 2013, 03:31:51 PM
You forgot Obama in the Messiah section.
I know but we already know that, don't we? :P
Quote from: Skm1091 on August 09, 2013, 04:00:39 PM
I know but we already know that, don't we? :P
True. :P
those aren't rebuttals. let me take a stab:
0-first off, Christianity isn't a "fundamentalist" ideology. It's a religious movement composed of a series of sects, with often variant and clashing beliefs--some fundamentalist, others loose or esoteric. you can ask the English about that: they created the test act in the 1670's so as to bar one group of Christians (Catholics) from government, to the benefit of another (Anglicans (aka Episcopalians))
1-The Free market is simply the sum of the activities of people trading with one another peacefully. As such it is both abstract (in that there is no central place or object to represent it), yet tangible (for example: I have a cup of Pop next to me, I type before a computer, I have a lovely truck outside, and ~500 dollars in my pocket (another 2000$+ on the way), all courtesy of peaceful, voluntary transactions).
2-Libertarian or Libertarian like ideals existed before Ron Paul: Taoism implicitly favors it, as do some movements in Arabia. many of the precepts were part of the Social fabric of many Germanic people as well as the Arabs (before and after their respective religious changes; Christianity and Islam specifically).
3-Atlas Shrugged is an objectivist work. a real Libertarian book would be like the ones written by that one guy Shane mentions all the time, or Murray Rothbard. And strictu sensu, the Bible isn't a fairytale; it's a series of myths (the fairytale part for a non-Christian or Jew), lawcodes, and moral commandments organized in a volume of individual books.
4-Strawman argument. No one is saying that these things wouldn't happen. What is being said that is that these wouldn't be institutionalized if all transactions were voluntary and peaceful (as they are with Government backing). besides, what does the maker of the poster think is "exploitation" and "poverty"? Human suffering we can agree on, but the other two from what I've seen can be a bit...subjective. Poor in America is nothing like the "average" among the Palestinians in the Holy Land.
5-more accurately the initiation of force or fraud. need not come from Government, but it is currrently the biggest one to initiate the like. And unlike Satan, the Government, and it's effects, are in many ways directly visible on the physical level. my people ought to know, we lose 100 or so to small pieces of jacketed lead or rubber bits that fly at us at or above the speed of sound every year--all fired from 6-10 pound metal and plastic devices issued to an organized band of servants to the Israeli Government called IDF soldiers..
6-plenty in my case actually: I'm an Arab, so I grew up with some of the precepts. added to that my experience with Government institutions impacting my family and friends, what the US government does to my people, what the Israeli government does to my people, as well as reading the history of every major empire there ever was (including the ones we made), and you see where my thinking comes from. I see the attempt at "fixing" the currency by Bubbles Bernanke as little different from Aurelian's Currency reform; attempts at subsidies and price fixing respectively remind me of what the Romans did in general with North African Grain, and the attempts by Dioclatianus to fix prices. and there are more parallels, not only with Rome, but other Empires.
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on August 09, 2013, 08:11:37 PMthose aren't rebuttals.
I thought he meant for his version, not the original. :P