http://www.nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
Wha cha think?
Eh, it's a bit wonky after you pass the 100 Billion Kiloton threshhold
Quote from: Gumba Masta on June 28, 2013, 03:47:55 AM
Eh, it's a bit wonky after you pass the 100 Billion Kiloton threshhold
EDIT: I forgot to even address this: yeah, it looks it. But that is largely due to the projection used to create the map.
now I know what the minimum warhead is to destroy the white-house, whilst minimizing collateral damage (~20 tons TNT equivalent).
no, doesn't mean I want to do that. nor do I necessarily recommend it.
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on June 28, 2013, 12:23:53 PM
EDIT: I forgot to even address this: yeah, it looks it. But that is largely due to the projection used to create the map.
now I know what the minimum warhead is to destroy the white-house, whilst minimizing collateral damage (~20 tons TNT equivalent).
no, doesn't mean I want to do that. nor do I necessarily recommend it.
People are some what worried about nuclear attack but I seriously doubt a terrorist group would be able to get a hold of a 15 megaton warhead.
Quote from: Skm1091 on June 28, 2013, 01:48:16 AM
http://www.nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
Wha cha think?
Pretty neat! Do you know what formula(s) he uses for the blast radii relative as a function of the yield?
Quote from: Gumba Masta on June 28, 2013, 03:47:55 AM
Eh, it's a bit wonky after you pass the 100 Billion Kiloton threshhold
100 billion kilotons? You would vaporize an entire continent with that kind of yield.
You can see why it goes wonky with 10,000,000,000 kilotons: it's trying to cover an area that spans a pole, and so it ends up repeating.
Quote from: Skm1091 on June 28, 2013, 05:58:06 PM
100 billion kilotons? You would vaporize an entire continent with that kind of yield.
That's nothing, I put in 1e30 and beyond just for shits and giggles.
Hell, I just tried putting in 10^100 kt.
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 28, 2013, 06:20:34 PM
You can see why it goes wonky with 10,000,000,000 kilotons: it's trying to cover an area that spans a pole, and so it ends up repeating.
You know what is funny. The bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima would not even destroy 1/10 of Los Angeles country or Manhattan. You will need at least a hundred of those for each city.
Quote from: Skm1091 on June 28, 2013, 06:43:19 PM
You know what is funny. The bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima would not even destroy 1/10 of Los Angeles country or Manhattan. You will need at least a hundred of those for each city.
I dunno, my idea of fun is watching a nude exotic dancer doing the chicken dance.
Quote from: Gumba Masta on June 28, 2013, 06:46:02 PM
I dunno, my idea of fun is watching a nude exotic dancer doing the chicken dance.
I didn't say it would be fun, I said it's funny that a weapon that wiped out any entire city during ww2 would be peanuts to two of the biggest cities in the US today
Quote from: Skm1091 on June 28, 2013, 04:09:07 PM
People are some what worried about nuclear attack but I seriously doubt a terrorist group would be able to get a hold of a 15 megaton warhead.
I could see them getting a hold of 20 tons though (the strength I tested). the Hariri assassination involved the equivalent of 1 ton of TNT, though it wasn't nuclear. get together a plan, and you could have the white house, and everything within 100 yards, flattened with the equivalent of 20 tons TNT.
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on June 28, 2013, 08:02:13 PM
I could see them getting a hold of 20 tons though (the strength I tested). the Hariri assassination involved the equivalent of 1 ton of TNT, though it wasn't nuclear. get together a plan, and you could have the white house, and everything within 100 yards, flattened with the equivalent of 20 tons TNT.
Are you sure you did it right? I got quite a bit of radiation in the surrounding area with 20 tons (.02 kilotons). I had to go down to 2 tons (.002 kilotons) to keep it just in that block.
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on June 28, 2013, 08:02:13 PM
I could see them getting a hold of 20 tons though (the strength I tested). the Hariri assassination involved the equivalent of 1 ton of TNT, though it wasn't nuclear. get together a plan, and you could have the white house, and everything within 100 yards, flattened with the equivalent of 20 tons TNT.
The Davy Crocket Bomb eh? The biggest yield I can see them getting is about 5 to 10 kilotons at most. I heard getting uranium is not that difficult. Trying to weaponize it and make a bomb is another story entirely.
BTW you tried the tsar bomb yet?
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on June 28, 2013, 06:23:55 PM
That's nothing, I put in 1e30 and beyond just for shits and giggles.
1e13 (10,000,000,000,000, or 10 trillion) kilotons is enough to make a fireball that will engulf the moon!
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 28, 2013, 08:28:50 PM
Are you sure you did it right? I got quite a bit of radiation in the surrounding area with 20 tons (.02 kilotons). I had to go down to 2 tons (.002 kilotons) to keep it just in that block.
I didn't consider the radiation fallout--just the blast itself (the radius of which is ~200 meters, and total destruction was within 80 meters--under 100 yards). However including the radiation fallout you would be correct.
@ skm: yeah, I did. first place I nuked with that (specifically the theoretical), I attacked Tel Aviv. It destroyed Hebron via thermal radiation, So I had to scale it down. it still roasted Jerusalem. Hopefully fellow Palestinians will accordingly not get any fancy ideas.
I really don't think Washington DC is a likely target because you would have to get that nuke in by ship. That more tedious than it looks.
Quote from: Ibrahim90 on June 28, 2013, 08:40:40 PM
I didn't consider the radiation fallout--just the blast itself (the radius of which is ~200 meters, and total destruction was within 80 meters--under 100 yards). However including the radiation fallout you would be correct.
@ skm: yeah, I did. first place I nuked with that (specifically the theoretical), I attacked Tel Aviv. It destroyed Hebron via thermal radiation, So I had to scale it down. it still roasted Jerusalem. Hopefully fellow Palestinians will accordingly not get any fancy ideas.
I don't think they could even if they wanted to. The 100 megaton and 50 megaton Tsar Bombs were as far as I know for the most part tested but never mass produced. They are far too heavy to be used by any military and the ones that do exist are far too heavily guarded by the Russia Military for anyone to even get close and steal.
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 28, 2013, 08:35:25 PM
1e13 (10,000,000,000,000, or 10 trillion) kilotons is enough to make a fireball that will engulf the moon!
Meanwhile, the 1e308 kilotons I put is probably more energy than was released in the Big Bang itself!
Quote from: Skm1091 on June 28, 2013, 06:43:19 PM
You know what is funny. The bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima would not even destroy 1/10 of Los Angeles country or Manhattan. You will need at least a hundred of those for each city.
IIRC, Hiroshima was particularly vulnerable to that type of attack (more so than LA or Manhattan is now), being largely located in a relatively small valley (which tended to contain the blast) and much of the residential area was the traditional light wood and paper interiors with tile roofs supported on unbraced vertical beams (which is relatively easy to knock down and set on fire).
Quote from: evensgrey on June 29, 2013, 10:38:32 AM
IIRC, Hiroshima was particularly vulnerable to that type of attack (more so than LA or Manhattan is now), being largely located in a relatively small valley (which tended to contain the blast) and much of the residential area was the traditional light wood and paper interiors with tile roofs supported on unbraced vertical beams (which is relatively easy to knock down and set on fire).
good point.
Hiroshima was also a lot smaller in those days, wasn't it?
Quote from: Skm1091 on June 29, 2013, 01:36:06 PM
good point.
Hiroshima was also a lot smaller in those days, wasn't it?
Almost everywhere was a lot smaller in those days. Manhattan might not have been, but there were probably a lot more people living there then, too, while since then population has shifted to the area surrounding the island.