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News of the Bogus:

• 0:26 - Evidence al-Qaida "received" WikiLeaks information permitted in Manning trial http://www.salon.com/2013/04/10/evidence_al_qaida_received_wikileaks_information_permitted_in_manning_trial/
• 2:15 - John Paulk Apologizes for Ex-Gay Gospel, Wife Says She'll Pray for Him http://www.pqmonthly.com/update-john-paulk-apologizes-for-ex-gay-gospel-wife-ann-says-shell-pray-for-him/14177

• 5:28 - The first entirely 3D-printed handgun is here | Ars Technica
  http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/05/the-first-entirely-3d-printed-handgun-is-here/

7:45 - Biggest Bogon Emitter: Barack Obama http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/02/health/us-will-appeal-order-on-morning-after-pill.html


12:10 - Idiot Extraordinaire: Polk County (Florida) School District http://www.wtsp.com/news/reporter/article/312878/79/Teen-girl-arrested-for-science-project-gone-bad

• Florida Teen Girl Charged With Felony After Science Experiment Goes Bad http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2013/04/florida_teen_girl_charged_with.php
• On stifling scientific curiosity, in the most egregious way possible. http://www.southernfriedscience.com/?p=14864
• State Attorney Jerry Hill: Drop charges against Kiera Wilmot http://www.change.org/petitions/state-attorney-jerry-hill-drop-charges-against-kiera-wilmot

This Week's Quote: "Is it the mask or majesty of Power / To make offences that it may forgive?" —Fulke Greville

3d printers aren't multiple thousands of dollars any more.

http://reprap.org/wiki/Main_Page (http://reprap.org/wiki/Main_Page)

That's the most commonly used 3D printer at the moment.  It costs less than a thousand dollars (mostly because it can print many of its' own parts and most of the rest is made of commodity components like simple steel rods, inexpensive stepper motors and general purpose robotics controllers you can easily build yourself).  While it may not be able to print in the kind of plastics needed to make the Liberator, that's just a matter of time.  (If you can use them to make guns, then they're likely to be pretty good construction materials, and long-term goals in the 3D printer community are to build printers capable of routinely printing anything, including what's described in this link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22152212 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22152212) A Dutch group are printing an entire house using a specially built 3D printer than can construct an entire room at a time.  This should be cheap enough to make debugging all the problems with plastic houses worthwhile.)

What they need to do is make a cheap 3D printer capable of making a much better 3D printer.

Quote from: evensgrey on May 06, 2013, 08:50:07 AM
3d printers aren't multiple thousands of dollars any more.

http://reprap.org/wiki/Main_Page (http://reprap.org/wiki/Main_Page)

That's the most commonly used 3D printer at the moment.  It costs less than a thousand dollars (mostly because it can print many of its' own parts and most of the rest is made of commodity components like simple steel rods, inexpensive stepper motors and general purpose robotics controllers you can easily build yourself).  While it may not be able to print in the kind of plastics needed to make the Liberator, that's just a matter of time.  (If you can use them to make guns, then they're likely to be pretty good construction materials, and long-term goals in the 3D printer community are to build printers capable of routinely printing anything, including what's described in this link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22152212 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22152212) A Dutch group are printing an entire house using a specially built 3D printer than can construct an entire room at a time.  This should be cheap enough to make debugging all the problems with plastic houses worthwhile.)

wait, it can print itself into existence? what next, money that comes out of thin air?  ::)

oh, wait...

Quote from: evensgrey on May 06, 2013, 08:50:07 AM
3d printers aren't multiple thousands of dollars any more.

http://reprap.org/wiki/Main_Page (http://reprap.org/wiki/Main_Page)

That's the most commonly used 3D printer at the moment.  It costs less than a thousand dollars (mostly because it can print many of its' own parts and most of the rest is made of commodity components like simple steel rods, inexpensive stepper motors and general purpose robotics controllers you can easily build yourself).  While it may not be able to print in the kind of plastics needed to make the Liberator, that's just a matter of time.  (If you can use them to make guns, then they're likely to be pretty good construction materials, and long-term goals in the 3D printer community are to build printers capable of routinely printing anything, including what's described in this link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22152212 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22152212) A Dutch group are printing an entire house using a specially built 3D printer than can construct an entire room at a time.  This should be cheap enough to make debugging all the problems with plastic houses worthwhile.)

Now they have to find away to make it work with heat treated metal.

Quote from: Skm1091 on May 06, 2013, 06:03:27 PM
Now they have to find away to make it work with heat treated metal.

you'll need a really powerful (and super expensive) printer to do that, in light of the properties of most metals. This is especially if you want the thickness to be within safety parameters (to resist the forces involved in shooting a firearm).  there are other problems, but I'll stop here.

for now, I guess we'd need to settle on a hybrid model of production, if we are to work with metals

Quote from: Ibrahim90 on May 06, 2013, 07:21:08 PM
you'll need a really powerful (and super expensive) printer to do that, in light of the properties of most metals. This is especially if you want the thickness to be within safety parameters (to resist the forces involved in shooting a firearm).  there are other problems, but I'll stop here.

for now, I guess we'd need to settle on a hybrid model of production, if we are to work with metals

For now I guess CNC is cheaper

Too make the barrel one needs a Lathe and a Rifling machine.

As a Floridian who lives near that county where the schoolgirl was expelled, I apologize on behalf of my state. I am truly sorry. Not all Floridians are this backwards and insane.

They're ultimately shooting themselves in the foot by targeting and and bullying kids.  The police have already started to see this.  The old generation who worships the state because it gave them free goodies is dying out and being replaced by a generation who have been lied to, robbed, bullied and even murdered by the state or know people who have been.  Are officials really so foolish that they don't think they're going to remember that as they grow up and have kids of their own?  Oh sure we got the academics who still worship because they don't want to endanger their "investment" but how much longer can that last?

Quote from: BlameThe1st on May 06, 2013, 08:34:13 PM
As a Floridian who lives near that county where the schoolgirl was expelled, I apologize on behalf of my state. I am truly sorry. Not all Floridians are this backwards and insane.

you're not one of the people directly involved in expelling her. you just happen to live in Florida, so no need to apologize--certainly not anymore than I do over what people in either Hamas or Fatah do: I'm not them, I don't agree with them, so there's nothing to for me to apologize about.

the ones who really need to apologize are the ones who expelled the girl..(and Hamas and Fatah's staff--esp. the brass).

Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on May 07, 2013, 12:54:14 AM
They're ultimately shooting themselves in the foot by targeting and and bullying kids.  The police have already started to see this.  The old generation who worships the state because it gave them free goodies is dying out and being replaced by a generation who have been lied to, robbed, bullied and even murdered by the state or know people who have been.  Are officials really so foolish that they don't think they're going to remember that as they grow up and have kids of their own?  Oh sure we got the academics who still worship because they don't want to endanger their "investment" but how much longer can that last?

Well, considering many if not most politicians are old people, they probably figure they'll be dead before that time comes.  And (like many police officers think) probably think that said children brought it on themselves.

Quote from: BlameThe1st on May 06, 2013, 08:34:13 PM
As a Floridian who lives near that county where the schoolgirl was expelled, I apologize on behalf of my state. I am truly sorry. Not all Floridians are this backwards and insane.

Yay I'm not the only Sunshine State resident anymore!

So it seems the FEDS are trying to pull the plans for the gun off the Internet.

Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on May 10, 2013, 02:13:52 AM
So it seems the FEDS are trying to pull the plans for the gun off the Internet.

LOL I like to see them try. Anyone trying to regulate the internet will fail.(remember the pirate bay? they have a better chance of digging through the center of the earth to get to China.

Besides there are blueprints for more than just single shot pistols. There are designs for homemade sub machine guns on the net and in print.

like this one right here

(http://d.gr-assets.com/books/1349077053l/2459593.jpg)

Quote from: Skm1091 on May 10, 2013, 03:23:37 AM
LOL I like to see them try. Anyone trying to regulate the internet will fail.(remember the pirate bay? they have a better chance of digging through the center of the earth to get to China.

The Pirate Bay already has a section for 3D printable models--and yep, the Liberator is there (as well as other printable lowers): https://thepiratebay.sx/browse/605