[bogosity-podcast]https://bogosity.podbean.com/mf/web/hs2evm/BogosityPodcast-7-18-2011.mp3[/bogosity-podcast]
Update: Casey Anthony juror #3 breaks her silence http://www.woio.com/story/15078841/casey-anthony-juror-3-breaks-her-silence
- The miserable postscript for a Casey Anthony juror http://fieldnotes.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/07/10/7055601-the-miserable-postscript-for-a-casey-anthony-juror
News of the Bogus:
- U.S. Prison Population is the Largest on Earth http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1529685/us_prison_population_is_the_largest.html
- Oak Park Woman Faces 93-Days in Jail For Planting Vegetable Garden http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/local/julie-bass-of-oak-park-faces-misdemeanor-charge-for-vegetable-garden-20110630-wpms
- America's biggest teacher and principal cheating scandal unfolds in Atlanta http://news.yahoo.com/americas-biggest-teacher-principal-cheating-scandal-unfolds-atlanta-213734183.html
- Family Says Madison Deputies Interrupted Party, Used Tasers http://www.wapt.com/news/28444843/detail.html
- Party Goers Accuse Madison Deputies of Excessive Force http://www2.wjtv.com/news/2011/jul/05/party-goes-accuse-madison-deputies-disorderly-cond-ar-2070362/
- US ran fake vaccine project in hunt for bin Laden http://news.yahoo.com/us-ran-fake-vaccine-project-hunt-bin-laden-234609884.html
- Metro reviewing DNA cases after error led to wrongful conviction http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011/jul/07/dna-lab-switch-led-wrongful-conviction-man-who-ser/
Biggest Bogon Emitter: Sens. Jay Rockefeller, Barbara Boxer, Frank Lautenberg, and Peter King http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/13/idUS20734472720110713
Idiot Extraordinaire: Sen. Mitch McConnell http://nation.foxnews.com/eric-holder/2011/07/11/holder-wants-try-terrorists-same-civilian-courts-let-casey-anthony-free
This Week's Quote: “Human progress is neither automatic nor inevitable...Every step toward the goal of justice requires sacrifice, suffering, and struggle; the tireless exertions and passionate concern of dedicated individuals.” —Martin Luther King, Jr.
That idiot Nancy Grace was on Good Morning America this morning claiming that there is no reason to believe that there would be vigilante threats on Casey Anthony's life, yet in Oklahoma a woman was run down on the highway because she LOOKED like Casey Anthony. This is absolutely despicable. This juror has to actually worry about her own well being and safety because the emotionally driven lynch mobs have no respect for the rules of evidence. Shame on ALL of you America. Your frame of thought that your emotions and your speculations are more important than hard evidence is what causes this to happen. It is times like these that you make me sick.
That story about the woman who is being jailed for gardening makes me absolutely sick. Luckily, I don't live in an area with such absurd laws. At my dad's place, we have a garden right behind the driveway, which is directly connected to the front yard. The idea that government refuses to accept property rights is completely absurd. "That's not what we want to see in a front yard," said Oak Park City Planner Kevin Rulkowski. My question is, who in the f*ck are you to make such a decision on someone else's property?
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 17, 2011, 05:04:01 PMThis Week's Quote: "Human progress is neither automatic nor inevitable...Every step toward the goal of justice requires sacrifice, suffering, and struggle; the tireless exertions and passionate concern of dedicated individuals." —Martin Luther King, Jr.
Courtesy of false morality.
As for the jurors, does this mean they are eligible for a silver cluon award?
Regarding the 93 in jail woman for growing food on her property...Yet another leap in Plank #1 of the communist manifesto in this country. As for her, AND the party buster and the innocent person in jail for 4 years, more reasons why government law = bullshit. Anarchic polycentric law ftw. 8)
Okay, at the beginning I said "the jurors believed she was innocent" when I meant "the jurors believed she was guilty." The sad part is, I was reading from a script...
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 17, 2011, 07:03:54 PM
Okay, at the beginning I said "the jurors believed she was innocent" when I meant "the jurors believed she was guilty." The sad part is, I was reading from a script...
I thought something was a bit off in the beginning. Kudos to Libertarianist for pointing out the error. :)
I think I may need a break from all this news. My blood pressure is probably through the roof because I've been getting so pissed off over the crazy nonsense in our government and in society in general. My mother just noticed how bright red my face is right now, and this was just after posting all these articles on Facebook.
Just remember how many good things there are in the world and your life. Most people are still nice, wonderful people, and we need to appreciate them in our daily lives.
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 17, 2011, 08:05:12 PM
Just remember how many good things there are in the world and your life. Most people are still nice, wonderful people, and we need to appreciate them in our daily lives.
Thanks. I needed that too.
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 17, 2011, 08:05:12 PM
Just remember how many good things there are in the world and your life. Most people are still nice, wonderful people, and we need to appreciate them in our daily lives.
If it makes you feel any better, I'm currently watching the best wrestling ppv this year.....HOOOOOO LAWDIE!
Nah, but new episodes of Torchwood and Futurama are keeping me going.
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 17, 2011, 08:05:12 PM
Just remember how many good things there are in the world and your life. Most people are still nice, wonderful people, and we need to appreciate them in our daily lives.
To steal a quote from sfdebris, perhaps today won't be the day I stick my head in a warp core. =P
Well, I'm already receiving comments on Facebook. Here is one from my aunt about how we have more prisoners in this country than anywhere else.
QuoteDon't forget that we have privatized many prisons. There is a profit to be made.
This seems rather irrelevant really. If we stopped arresting people for victimless crimes, then the prisons wouldn't be filled up anyway. This just sounds like complaining over the private sector more than anything else.
Yes, I mean, it's not like those private prisons decide how many people get convicted! That's still up to the courts.
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 18, 2011, 09:23:48 AM
Yes, I mean, it's not like those private prisons decide how many people get convicted! That's still up to the courts.
Not only did I tell her that, but I told her that if it wasn't for the stupid victimless crime laws in the first place, they wouldn't even be arrested and what not. She put the following:
QuoteI agree and believe that many of those crimes were lobbied for and created because there is a profit to be made.
She also linked me to a post on democraticunderground.com (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1513616)
QuotePrisoners risking death by refusing food in the Pelican Bay supermax, and those hunger striking in solidarity in prisons around California are a judgment of our sickness. "The degree of civilization in a society," said Dostoyevsky, "can be judged by entering its prisons."
Civilization is something we no longer seem to aspire to. The United States locks up more people and a greater percentage of its people than anyone else. We lock them in training centers for anger and violence. We subject them to rape, assault, humiliation, and isolation. We throw the innocent in with the guilty, the young with the old, the nonviolent with the violent, the hopeful with those who've lost all interest in life.
And we routinely subject large numbers of prisoners to the torture of near-total isolation. We lock human beings in little boxes for 22 or 23 hours per day. When it's done to an accused whistleblower like Bradley Manning, we protest. But what about when it's done to thousands of people, many of them baselessly accused of being members of gangs? Where is the outrage?
We should be refusing to eat. We should be shutting down our government with nonviolent action. We should be risking the lives we have. Instead the burden has fallen to those who have little or no lives to risk. The prisoners themselves are taking action and gaining power from behind bars.
Look at the prisoners' demands. They want an end to group punishment of individual rules violations. That seems like a basic requirement of justice. Bombing a nation because some terrorists spent time there may make sense to our politicians, but it is horribly unjust to the people living and dying under the bombs. Stopping and searching people who look like they might be immigrants may make sense to those whose hatred of immigrants is distorting their thinking, but it is outrageously unjust from the perspective of the innocent people repeatedly harassed. Punishing everyone in a prison for something one person did make sense if the goal is cruelty. But will the innocent prisoners thus abused eventually emerge from prison believing they've been given fair treatment by a justice system with which they should comply? Or will they be released thirsting for vengeance? Or thirst for vengeance while never being released? And will we be able to keep what we have done to them secret from ourselves? Will we not continue to grow more ill?
They want an end to the use of completely unreliable criteria for labeling a prisoner a gang member and on that basis subjecting them to the torture of isolation. Should a tattoo or the word of someone offered decent food in exchange for a name really be the test of whether a human being should be placed at risk of severe mental damage? Should anything? Would we stand for another nation treating people this way? Don't tell me it's necessary and responsible. It would cost a lot less money to offer children decent schools and food and guidance than it does to imprison men. This is a luxury. It's a sick indulgence of a wealthy country. We can afford to engage in massive sadistic cruelty. But that shouldn't mean that we have to do it.
They want compliance with the recommendations found in the latest study our government produced to make itself feel better despite ignoring it. They want an end to the long-term solitary confinement that takes people's minds away. They are risking death by starvation to end death by deprivation of human contact. We could risk a lot less to do it for them.
They want adequate food provided to all prisoners and an end to the practice of depriving some and feeding others as a tool for manipulating people like wild beasts. They want basic decency, including the ability to make one phone call per week. They want standards of health and humanity that do not even begin to approach those we are required by international treaty to provide to prisoners of war. For that matter, they want to cease being treated in a manner that would get you locked up with them if you treated a dog or a cat that way.
All the prisoners are asking of us is that we spread the word. But in fact they are not asking this of us. They are offering it to us. They are leading us where we need to go, and doing it from behind bars. We would need to go to this place even if we had no prisons. We are allowing our government to destroy the physical environment. Our children will have no more reason to eat than these prisoners do, if we fail to act. We are allowing our government to murder on a massive scale through what it calls the "Defense" Department, a name as skillfully chosen as that of a "Corrections" Department. We need to do some real defending and correcting. Some of us have plans for October. The least among us are showing us how right now.
The drug laws existed LONG before private prisons did.
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 18, 2011, 10:57:13 AM
The drug laws existed LONG before private prisons did.
Yeah, now she's just ignoring stuff and just going with PROFIT IS BAD argument.
QuoteI agree, however I think the increase in our prisons is directly related to the profit margin.
That's what dogmatists do when they're confronted with the evidence.
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 18, 2011, 11:51:46 AM
That's what dogmatists do when they're confronted with the evidence.
Yep, that is exactly what they do.
QuoteWell, David. We will have to agree to disagree. I do think that making a profit in some areas is obscene and not in our best interest, such as education, healthcare and putting our people in prison. And I think it makes perfect sense that lobbyists are influencing our lawmakers into inforcing and creating new laws to imprison our people because of profits. That is happening. And I think it is disgusting and wonder why we are letting it happen.
QuoteWe will have to agree to disagree.
Man, I hate that cliche! What it really means is, "I don't want to have to do anything to be faced with any possibility that I might be wrong."
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 18, 2011, 12:32:05 PM
Man, I hate that cliche! What it really means is, "I don't want to have to do anything to be faced with any possibility that I might be wrong."
So I rightfully called her out and said that her reasons are based on nothing but her own bias against the idea of profit.
The reply:
QuoteMy reason is most certainly based on something. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1107761
The post that she was referring to:
QuoteCheck out two articles linked in today's DU. First, U.S. businesses that outsource to Mexico are hurting. Border violence---fueled by U.S. demands for (currently) illegal marijuana have made the northern portion of Mexico a lot like Beirut in the 1980s.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
Poor U.S. manufacturers. It's too dangerous to outsource our jobs. Good thing the American workers have someone in their court----the states which have an economic incentive to keep marijuana Illegal with a capital P. As in, you will do hard prison time in those states if you light up. Private prison time.
Here is the DU article on the five states which bring the hammer down hardest on those who commit the victimless crime of smoking weed:
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/marmar/21614
Note that the state at the top of the list is not on the U.S. Mexican border. Why is Oklahoma so down on dope? Because recreational drug users are the cheapest, easiest prisoners for private prisons to incarcerate (at public expense). And your average pot smoker is a lot easier on the pocketbook than a full blown heroin addict. No HIV, not Hepatitis C. Just one poor soul who wants to get out of jail real bad so that he can return to his productive life as a U.S. worker. This guy is definitely not going to be a problem for the private company that is getting paid a gazillion dollars to keep him from smoking (weed) for a year.
Quote"Follow the money," he said. "Private prisons make a profit of over 30 percent on each inmate. They utilize a good portion to influence local policy decisions by hiring the most affluent lobbying firms and making political donations."
http://opea.org/private-prisons-are-no-bargain
Oklahoma is booming. Or, at least, its prisons are.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OKCURE/message/1832
QuoteThe state's prison population routinely hits 99 percent of capacity, the
Board of Corrections was told Wednesday.
In Texas, private prisons are a boom industry. Note that Texas has the largest number of private prisoners in the country as of 2007:
http://www.texasprisonbidness.org/lobbying-and-influenc...
And guess who comes in second? That's right, Florida, the third worst state in which to smoke dope. Arizona, the fifth worst state for draconian pot laws is third in number of for profit incarcerations. Louisiana made the list in 2007, too, and GOP Governor Bobby "Blanche" Jindal (relies on the kindness of the feds for free money while arguing against Big Government)wants to see even more money flow into the hands of the privates.
http://www.thepelicanpost.org/2011/04/05/legislators-at... 's-plan-to-privatize-prisons/
QuotePaul Rainwater, Gov. Jindal's top budget advisor, counters that the one-time money would help private health providers navigate a tough financial year.
Hmmm. And if we sold every male whose name begins with the letter B (sorry, Bobby) into slavery in Saudi Arabia, we could pay for platinum plated health insurance for the rest of us!
Remember, we don't want our private prison industry to suffer hard times just because the rest of us are, either. So, light up America! Keep those manufacturing jobs at home and America's private prison industry profitable!
WORSHIP THE STATE! PROFIT IS BAD! WORSHIP THE STATE! PROFIT IS BAD!
Ask her about if the state profits from this.
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 18, 2011, 01:12:37 PM
Ask her about if the state profits from this.
Oh please, I already know what kind of answer she'd give.
QuoteDavid you and I agree on more than you realize. the difference being that I believe we are the government we the people. Hating the government is like hating yourself. If you don't like something you have the power to do something about it.... I believe it is our obligation to speak out and do something about it. But remember I am a public school teacher at heart. And I don't think that anybody should be making any money off of public education. We the people should be investing in our future. generation. And taking care of our elderly and disabled. We as americans should take care of each other and that is what government is supposed to do in my opinion
This is just sad now.
QuoteAnd I don't think that anybody should be making any money off of public education.
This is where i would post a trollface image and ask her "Then why do YOU profit from public education?"
I actually threw that question to her about taking a paycheck, this was the response:
QuoteDarling I'm looking for a job. And I will take a paycheck because I will be early. Not to mention that the money that I spent on my education came out of my own pocket. Again in my humble opinion I think teachers should be making more money not less.
Oh, so it's okay for YOU to make money, but how dare anyone else try to compete!
Lol. I also threw a quote at her from Fringeelements, though I slightly modified it to take out the whole youtube aspect of it.
QuotePeople who aggressively advocate for state action aren't good people. They're evil people and deserve the worst, and so I have no plans to be kind to them. They want to throw me in a cage and probably get raped if I don't go along with thei...r plan [and/or] pay for the things they want, and then say that this brutality is social. When clearly it is the definition of anti-social. So no chivalry. These people want to enslave me, because in their narcissism, they think that they can centrally plan better than the grand nexus of interactions of society.
This was the response:
QuoteWe have come full circle because I think they want to en slave you because of money but we should probably continue this conversation in person or through email
Quote from: D on July 18, 2011, 01:32:08 PMOh please, I already know what kind of answer she'd give.
Sorry. I meant, ask how she feels *that* the state profits from all this. Unless she thinks profit and government are mutually exclusive in which case.
She's a super woo.
Quote from: surhotchaperchlorome on July 18, 2011, 02:29:36 PM
Sorry. I meant, ask how she feels *that* the state profits from all this. Unless she thinks profit and government are mutually exclusive in which case.
She's a super woo.
She does.
Quote from: D on July 18, 2011, 02:38:30 PMShe does.
That explains a lot. You
did explain your family is full of idiots, so I guess I really can't be surprised.
Russell Huekler, who was an alternate juror, gives a statement on why he agreed with the verdict. Just further confirming what Shane said in the podcast.
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Source. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/18/news-of-the-world-sean-hoare)
News of the World phone-hacking whistleblower found deadQuoteDeath of Sean Hoare – who was first named journalist to allege Andy Coulson knew of hacking – not being treated as suspicious
Sean Hoare, the former News of the World showbusiness reporter who was the first named journalist to allege that Andy Coulson was aware of phone hacking by his staff, has been found dead .
Hoare, who worked on the Sun and the News of the World with Coulson before being dismissed for drink and drugs problems, was said to have been found at his Watford home.
Hertfordshire police would not confirm his identity, but said in a statement: "At 10.40am today [Monday 18 July] police were called to Langley Road, Watford, following the concerns for the welfare of a man who lives at an address on the street. Upon police and ambulance arrival at a property, the body of a man was found. The man was pronounced dead at the scene shortly after.
"The death is currently being treated as unexplained but not thought to be suspicious. Police investigations into this incident are ongoing."
There was an unexplained delay in the arrival of forensics officers at the scene .
Neighbours said three police cars and three police cars and two ambulances arrived at the property shortly before 11am. They left around four hours later, around 3pm, shortly after a man and a woman, believed to be grieving relatives, arrived at the premises. There was no police presence at the scene at all for several hours.
The curtains were drawn at the first-floor apartment in a new-build block of flats .
At about 9.15pm, three hours after the Guardian revealed Hoare had been found dead a police van marked "Scientific Services Unit" pulled up at the address, where a police car was already parked. Two officers emerged carrying evidence bags, clipboards, torches and laptop-style bags and entered the building. Three officers carrying cameras and wearing white forensic suits went into the flat at around 9.30pm.
Hoare was in his mid-40s. He first made his claims in a New York Times investigation into the phone-hacking allegations at the News of the World. He told the newspaper that not only did Coulson know of the hacking, but he also actively encouraged his staff to intercept the calls of celebrities in the pursuit of exclusives.
In a subsequent interview with the BBC he alleged he was personally asked by his editor at the time, Coulson, to tap into phones. In an interview with the PM programme he said Coulson's insistence he did not know of the practice was "a lie, it is simply a lie". At the time a Downing Street spokeswoman said Coulson totally and utterly denied the allegations; he had "never condoned the use of phone hacking and nor do I have any recollection of incidences where hacking took place".
Hoare said he was once a close friend of Coulson's, and told the New York Times the two first worked together at the Sun, where, Hoare said, he played recordings of hacked messages for Coulson. At the News of the World, Hoare said, he continued to inform Coulson of his activities. He "actively encouraged me to do it", Hoare said. In September last year he was interviewed under caution by police over his claim the former Tory communications chief asked him to hack into phones when editor of the paper, but declined to make any comment.
Hoare returned to the spotlight last week, after he told the New York Times that reporters at the NoW were able to use police technology to locate people using their mobile phone signals, in exchange for payments to police officers. He said journalists were able to use "pinging", which measured the distance between a mobile handset and a number of phone masts to pinpoint its location.
Hoare gave further details about "pinging" to the Guardian last week. He described how reporters would ask a news desk executive to obtain the location of a target: "Within 15 to 30 minutes someone on the news desk would come back and say 'Right, that's where they are.'"
He said: "You'd just go to the news desk and they'd come back to you. You don't ask any questions. You'd consider it a job done.
"The chain of command is one of absolute discipline, and that's why I never bought into it, like with Andy saying he wasn't aware of it and all that. That's bollocks."
He said he stood by everything he told the New York Times of "pinging". "I don't know how often it happened. That would be wrong of me. But if I had access, as a humble reporter ... "
He admitted he had had problems with drink and drugs, and had been in rehab. "But that's irrelevant," he said. "There's more to come. This is not going to go away."
Hoare named a private investigator who he said had links with the News of the World, adding: "He may want to talk now, because I think what you'll find now is a lot of people are going to want to cover their arse." Speaking to another Guardian journalist last week, Hoare repeatedly expressed the hope that the hacking scandal would lead to journalism in general being cleaned up, and said he had decided to blow the whistle on the activities of some of his former NoW colleagues with that aim in mind.
He also said he had been injured the previous weekend while taking down a marquee erected for a children's party. He said he broke his nose and badly injured his foot when a relative accidentally struck him with a pole from the marquee. Hoare also emphasised that he was not making any money from telling his story.
Having been treated for drug and alcohol problems, Hoare reminisced about his partying with former pop stars and said that he missed the days when he was able to go out on the town.
On Monday evening the curtains were drawn at his home, a first-floor apartment in a new-build block of flats.
A neighbour living opposite, Nicky Dormer, said three police cars and two ambulances arrived at the property at 11am; police left at 3pm, shortly after a man and a woman, believed to be grieving relatives, arrived at the premises.
She and another neighbour described Hoare as a jovial man who would often sit on his balcony, overlooking the block entrance, and talk to residents. They said he lived in the block with his partner, a woman called Jo, who they believed had been away on holiday. Neither had seen Hoare for a few days.
Paul Pritchard, 30, another neighbour, said Sean Hoare was "the most sociable" resident, and they would regularly see him watering the communal front lawn.
"It is just such a shock. About a month ago he said he felt unwell and he said he went to the doctors for a checkup. Then I saw him again and he seemed well."
I'm waiting for the conspiracy theories to start flooding in.
Here's the ABC interview with Juror #3:
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I posted the other video on facebook of the alternate juror. One of the SHE'S GUILTY BAH GAWD people had this to say when I told him that the prosecution failed to deliver any real evidence:
QuoteYou obviously didn't watch the trial if that's your stance bro.
Lynch mobs are delusional.
Quote from: D on July 18, 2011, 08:57:28 PM
I posted the other video on facebook of the alternate juror. One of the SHE'S GUILTY BAH GAWD people had this to say when I told him that the prosecution failed to deliver any real evidence:
Lynch mobs are delusional.
I'd recommend just calling them out on their fallacies by name and linking to them through wikipedia, with a ready example of why that logic is flawed. Do this often enough, and some of them must come around eventually.
Just a heads-up, guys: if my voice isn't back by tomorrow, I'll have to delay or cancel the podcast again. Got another sinus infection, and it's a doozy. They're really bad this year.
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 23, 2011, 08:36:44 AM
Just a heads-up, guys: if my voice isn't back by tomorrow, I'll have to delay or cancel the podcast again. Got another sinus infection, and it's a doozy. They're really bad this year.
Well you do what you have to. We don't need the podcast if you aren't up to it. A freaky Steven Hawking voice, while humorous, probably wouldn't work quite as well.
Quote from: MrBogosity on July 23, 2011, 08:36:44 AM
Just a heads-up, guys: if my voice isn't back by tomorrow, I'll have to delay or cancel the podcast again. Got another sinus infection, and it's a doozy. They're really bad this year.
I swear, sometimes I wonder why humans even HAVE the damned things if not to breed infections...
False alarm, guys. Thanks to modern medicine, the podcast will be up on time.
FSAthe1st is going off the deep end in the comments here: https://bogosity.podbean.com/2011/07/17/bogosity-podcast-for-18-july-2011/
Sometime I just don't get how people can go from liking a channel/person and then the moment any kind of "buzzword" hits it immediately goes 180.
Quote from: FSBlueApocalypse on August 03, 2011, 07:33:35 PM
Sometime I just don't get how people can go from liking a channel/person and then the moment any kind of "buzzword" hits it immediately goes 180.
Me neither. I used to sub to that guy. Oh, well. I left a rather long reply on the podcast page. It's refreshing not to have that 500 character limit.
Whaddya know. I posted a link to this discussion here, and was even considering jumping in on the debate on his videos. The second I began commenting, the guy blocked me.
Are you sure we can't feature him as an idiot extraordinaire?
Blocked me too.
What is it going to take to get a debate with someone who at least knows how to maintain a coherent argument for more than two sentences?