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June 12, 2011, 04:43:11 PM Last Edit: June 12, 2011, 04:50:18 PM by MrBogosity
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News of the Bogus:


Biggest Bogon Emitter: High school biology teachers http://www.examiner.com/atheism-in-atlanta/biology-teachers-are-either-spineless-or-misled

Idiot Extraordinaire: David Barton http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/barton-founding-fathers-were-against-teaching-evolution-american-revolution-was-fought-slave

This Week's Quote: "It's time to admit that public education operates like a planned economy, a bureaucratic system in which everybody's role is spelled out in advance and there are few incentives for innovation and productivity. It's no surprise that our school system doesn't improve: it more resembles the communist economy than our own market economy." —Albert Shanker, former president of the American Federation of Teachers
June 12, 2011, 07:08:14 PM #1
Shane, seems the site is down.
June 12, 2011, 07:21:21 PM #2
It's either down or loading incredibly slowly. Sorry, it's beyond my control.
June 12, 2011, 08:42:46 PM #3
Feeding homeless people is an arrestable offense?

That is seriously one of the most disgusting things I've ever read.
June 12, 2011, 09:15:02 PM #4
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That is seriously one of the most disgusting things I've ever read.

It's just a case of "threat to our monopoly!  Kill it!"


The way they talk about caring about nutrition with the school lunches makes me ill.  I've seen some school lunches and I wouldn't let my cat eat that slop.  There was even one on Jay Leno's headlines that had spam every day for a whole month.
I recently heard that the word heretic is derived from the greek work heriticos which means "able to choose"
The more you know...
June 12, 2011, 09:37:21 PM #5
That story about kids not being allowed to bring certain foods to school reminds me of back when I was in high school. They put kids in In School Suspension for stopping at Dunkin Donuts before school to get coffee. They actually put kids in ISS for having coffee before school during the winter. They wouldn't even provide warm drinks for the kids, but they even went as far as to tell Dunkin Donuts to not serve coffee to students.
June 12, 2011, 10:09:43 PM #6
I remember we used to get harassed for bringing our own lunches to school. We solved that problem by eating in the band room.
June 12, 2011, 11:42:01 PM #7
When I hear these kinds of stories I really wonder just how out of the ordinary my HS experience was. If you we're AB honor roll or a senior you could go to the sandwich shop across the street, but they never bothered to even check that.

Only thing my school cracked down on was my sophomore year they banned water in class because some kids got trashed on vodka during school for whatever reason.
June 13, 2011, 12:29:24 AM #8
BTW, I sent a link out through the regional LP's meet up group. Hopefully you'll be getting more hits.
June 13, 2011, 11:55:43 AM #9
So I'm having a discussion on evolution with someone right now, and this is the response I've gotten.

QuoteContrary to popular belief, it is actually possible to be both a scientist and a Christian. I know a couple of those. For the most part, they avoid teaching evolutionary biology and archaeology, and deal more with actual scientific law. ...I think it's perfectly valid for a teacher to present it as an idea and not as fact, because evolution, in spite of this evidence you speak of, is still a theory, which means that the scientific community isn't unanimous enough about it to make it a law, like they did with things like gravity, matter, and energy.

/facepalm.
June 13, 2011, 12:02:39 PM #10
QuoteContrary to popular belief, it is actually possible to be both a scientist and a Christian. I know a couple of those. For the most part, they avoid teaching evolutionary biology and archaeology, and deal more with actual scientific law.

You mean, like Kenneth Miller and Robert T. Bakker?

Even without the (sadly common) misuse of of the words "theory" and "law," FACEPALM indeed!
June 13, 2011, 12:29:01 PM #11
Okay, so now he's trying to make his argument about kids in elementary schools....

QuoteYes, but you're still missing the point. The grade school teachers I've met that taught science weren't actual scientists for the most part, but people with teaching degrees that decided to take up science. It's not their job to superimpose beliefs on a group of kids, but to simply present the information, and in my opinion, the less partial to one belief system or another a teacher is, the better they are at their job. I don't see why anyone needs to get bent out of shape over stuff like this.

Talk about trying to dodge bullets.
June 13, 2011, 05:46:56 PM #12 Last Edit: June 13, 2011, 05:49:43 PM by D.Turcotte
QuoteYes, but you see, you're trying to appeal to and judge Christianity by the logic of science and atheism, which just doesn't work, much like trying to appeal to and judge atheism and science with Christianity won't work. They're two completely different mindsets that hold central truths the other group finds ridiculous and incomprehensible. Arguments about these things will never be totally correct to both ways of thinking, and they have a tendency to devolve into a bunch of ad hominem attacks on both sides.

Ref...you might want to call for a disqualification, because I'm about to use an illegal foreign object upon this person's skull.
June 13, 2011, 09:04:53 PM #13
The way to counteract that is to explain how the scientific viewpoint is reliable, moves toward reality, and is demonstrable, and then ask how his methodology does the same.
June 14, 2011, 07:39:36 AM #14
Quote from: MrBogosity on June 13, 2011, 09:04:53 PM
The way to counteract that is to explain how the scientific viewpoint is reliable, moves toward reality, and is demonstrable, and then ask how his methodology does the same.

QuoteThat is purely perspective. You might not think we're reliable, that we don't move towards reality, and aren't demonstrable, but there are millions of people that do, including myself, and that think the opposite of evolutionary biology. Don't post if you're gonna resort to ad hominem.

Loooool.
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