has a pure 'free market' ever existed?

[MrBogosity]

And what about all the places in between?

[sfiorare]

And what about all the places in between?

it was a mixed economy, as most if not every system is

[MrBogosity]

Were the people not living in the cities subject to the authority of the cities, yes or no?

[VectorM]

certainly, i do

No, you don't.

Common sense was all you you needed to understand, that you must make a comparison with something to say that "This was bad, that was good, etc."

San Francisco was a shitty town compared to what? The rest of the country back then? San Francisco today? Europe?

The Roman Empire was a barbaric place by OUR standards. But by the standards back then, it was the pinnacle of civilization. Do you get it now?

[sfiorare]

Were the people not living in the cities subject to the authority of the cities, yes or no?

after some thought, i suspect that the influence of san francisco and sacramento's law probably did exert some effect on a portion, if not many outlying areas

was anybody outside the towns subjected to forced labor and other atrocities?

from all indications it seems that most of the non-native people were eager to have congress make california a united state; i suspect much of that was because they felt that the lawlessness could be overcome through the federal government's influence

Do you get it now?

yes, i get it, you have a narrow-minded view

[VectorM]

yes, i get it, you have a narrow-minded view

And how was anything I said "narrow-minded" exactly?

I didn't claim that San Francisco was some sort of heaven on earth. I didn't really claim anything at all. Yes, the place was shitty. But was it worse than the rest of the country back then? How did other cities compare back then? You were the one who disputed comparisons to modern day cities after all.

[sfiorare]

And how was anything I said "narrow-minded" exactly?

I didn't claim that San Francisco was some sort of heaven on earth. I didn't really claim anything at all. Yes, the place was shitty. But was it worse than the rest of the country back then? How did other cities compare back then? You were the one who disputed comparisons to modern day cities after all.

san francisco was more chaotic than most places at that time, i don't see any valid comparisons to make, but if you're so anxious for one, make it yourself

[MrBogosity]

san francisco was more chaotic than most places at that time

Like? And what criteria are you using for "chaotic"? And how do you distinguish good forms of being chaotic (such as spontaneous organization, like the flock of starlings) with the bad forms?

[sfiorare]

Like?

like nothing

And how do you distinguish good forms of being chaotic (such as spontaneous organization, like the flock of starlings) with the bad forms?

no

[MrBogosity]

like nothing

So, "san francisco was more chaotic than most places at that time" like "nothing." So, compared to nothing, San Fran was more chaotic.

no

That wasn't a yes/no question! Are you sure you can parse basic English?

[Gumba Masta]

Well, he get that one right, if nothing else, you can say that nothing not chaotic...or anything else.

[sfiorare]

Are you sure you can parse basic English?

yes

[Travis Retriever]

just out of curiosity, have you ever taken any economics classes?

Still waiting for to tell me how your link to Wikipedia was in any way relevant to my original post.
If it was it response to my point about a free market being a "model" I saw nothing in the part of the article you pointed me to that was at all relevant.
Again, until I get an explanation, your post remains a Red Herring.

[Travis Retriever]

Also, Shane, given that a free market is a negative condition
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He's basically demanding that we prove a negative, which is shifting the burden of proof.
We don't have to "prove" that liberty or freedom exists anymore than we have to prove that god doesn't exist.

[sfiorare]

He's basically demanding that we prove a negative, which is shifting the burden of proof.
We don't have to "prove" that liberty or freedom exists anymore than we have to prove that god doesn't exist.

you don't know what you're talking about