Least Favorite Plank(s) of the Communist Manifesto?

Started by Travis Retriever, February 27, 2010, 11:00:48 PM

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Mine would be the 1st, 5th and the 10th.

Plank #5 - Government-run Central Bank (Federal Reserve):
Simply put, I HATE inflation and the distortions it causes.
The fact that it gives our government the funding for pre-emptive wars of aggression and policing of the world and prolongs the life of unsustainable welfare programs.
It robs us of our savings and forces many of us to take out loans, when by all means, that purchasing power was ours, but was stolen via the inflation tax.
It also vastly increases the likely hood of capital failure, especially for big long-term projects like power plants and infrastructure, giving the government yet another reason to grab more of industry and power and more of our wealth at the expensive of our liberty.
It makes it so that people saving up for their retirement have to use direct investment instead of simply hoarding their money, lest its value evaporate into thin air.  This makes it so that they have to spend money on brokers and put money into a stock market that is made more unstable because of the expansion of credit via the central bank.  Granted, we can always get more educated on stocks and how to set up a good portfolio, but isn't that purchasing power ours?  Don't we have the right to NOT have it taken away via the government's expansion of the money supply?

Plank #10 - Public Schools:  Don't get me wrong, I love my teachers, but dog-gone it, I hate the monopoly (or near monopoly) provided by the state in education; especially in colleges as I am a college student.
Granted, the system regarding the pre-k through 12th grade has a special place in my heart.
Until about 10th grade, I was home-schooled.  It would have really been nice if we could have gotten a tax break on the money being taken from us at gun-point to fund my state's schools.  It also doesn't help that they were complete jerks to us.
They wouldn't even lend us a book or two (despite us still paying for them via taxes), we were constantly pushed out of the system because home-schooling wasn't yet very popular at that time, and private schools were too expensive.
I mean, come on, you know the public school system must be bad when:

1.  The costs for education rise even faster than the cost of health care
2.  When you (Shane) use the education system as an example of what health care would be like in this country if we had Socialized Medicine.

As for college, I notice that many people don't really talk about a free market in it.
In fact, Peter Schiff, John Stossel and Jacob Spinney are the only two I've ever seen talk about it.
Peter Schiff notes that the government guaranteeing of student loans to college students vastly inflates the demand for college education (and by extension the price of a degree), while the unions get laws passed that make it so you need a degree from an accredited university to get a job in various fields (further boosting demand), while state regulation makes it far more difficult to start up a business without going through a bunch of hoops, still furthering increasing demand (and therefore price) of college education.
John Stossel has noted that all this monopolization of universities has really decreased the quality of their education, as they pander to and accept more and more less academically skilled students.
Though I haven't confirmed it, I wouldn't be surprised if supply is restricted because, as Harry Browne and others have noted, government money to anything (including schools) typically comes with a plethora of red tape, thus reducing supply (price goes through roof and cost of house).
I personally wouldn't be surprised if we had a 100% free market capitalist system in higher education that I would be able to just work my way up until I gain the skills necessary to become an engineer (I'm an engineering major), instead of having to go to college for it.
I've asked Shane about this and didn't get a response. I don't know if he's knowledgeable in this area or not.
Though I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case about it.
I also wouldn't be surprised if there was a FAR greater variety of universities and colleges to choose from, far more than now, and far more affordable.
And far better too.

Plank #1 - Abolition and destruction of all rights of private property:

While this one doesn't get under my skin as much as the last two, I simply HAVE to include this one.
It's the foundation of tyranny and of the others.
By the Principle of Self Ownership, we can derive that Private property (as Shane and FlowCell have discussed) isn't just land and possessions, it's your time, your energy, your labor, your time, your body and yourself.  The logical conclusion of this plank means that you don't own yourself.
You are literally a slave to the state.
Don't believe me?
Think I'm overreacting?
Tell that to the people who lived in the countries who adopt this principle.
As Mises has pointed out, "If history could teach us anything, it would be that private property is inextricably linked with civilization."
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537

So which Planks of the Communist Manifesto do you dislike the most and why?

PS:  Sorry if my first post was TL:DR.
Those first two I listed just...get under my skin.
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537

Number 10. Once that is achieved, all the others will follow.
As a side note I think that everyone should read the communist manifesto at least once in their lives, just to see exactly how much of a f***ing abomination that this piece of horse terd has been responsible for one of the most influential ideologies in human history, it is honestly pathetic, vulgar, and absolutley unscientific in any way you can use the term (Marxism is always stated as somthing scientific when classified in economics, and I can never understand why) except in the way that soothsaying must have been scientific.
"Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?"

March 01, 2010, 10:20:42 PM #3 Last Edit: March 01, 2010, 10:22:49 PM by surhotchaperchlorome
Quote from: The Late Andrew Ryan on March 01, 2010, 08:36:41 PMNumber 10. Once that is achieved, all the others will follow.
Another reason why I hate it.
It seems to function as brainwashing moreso than education.
One of the reason I sometimes refer to them as "State Indoctrination Camps".

Quote from: The Late Andrew Ryan on March 01, 2010, 08:36:41 PMAs a side note I think that everyone should read the communist manifesto at least once in their lives, just to see exactly how much of a f***ing abomination that this piece of horse terd has been responsible for one of the most influential ideologies in human history, it is honestly pathetic, vulgar, and absolutley unscientific in any way you can use the term (Marxism is always stated as somthing scientific when classified in economics, and I can never understand why) except in the way that soothsaying must have been scientific.
The Marxian economic theories are scientific.
In the way that Islam is a peaceful religion; and that creationism is a true science.
In other words, when language no longer matters.
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537

Something I've wondered but never bothered to ask: What exactly, if anything, is the difference between communism and socialism?
I recently heard that the word heretic is derived from the greek work heriticos which means "able to choose"
The more you know...

Economically the difference is purely semantic.
From what I understand, even Karl Marx used the terms interchangeably.
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537

Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on March 01, 2010, 10:31:50 PM
Something I've wondered but never bothered to ask: What exactly, if anything, is the difference between communism and socialism?

It's like asking a creationist to come up with an operational definition for the word 'kind'. =P

Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on March 01, 2010, 10:31:50 PM
Something I've wondered but never bothered to ask: What exactly, if anything, is the difference between communism and socialism?
There can be a great deal of differences depending on exactly what kind of "socialism" you are talking about, however a communist society by definition must have an equal populace and all of the means of production must be centrally controlled. Communism will also have the definition of supposedly lacking a state depending upon who you talk to. The other problem is that there are a great number of types of socialism, I'm serious, there are alot.
"Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?"

And like the leaves of the Baobab tree, they cause indigestion in the minds of mantises.

On a different note, say what you want about communist russia, but they still have the cooler Red Alert units.