Remind me to stop arguing with woo-woos.

[IceSage]

I have this sad habit of replying to people who are apparently crazy as all hell... And then continue to debate with them even though they make no sense, or they get aggressive

I've been arguing with this guy for days now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE_UzmtUH7g

Perhaps I feel bad for people who believe in complete non-sense and get aggressive all the time. But, it just seems like people are hell bent on nonsense. This guy this real medicine should be dropped, and we should all be eating placebos.

[Travis Retriever]

...So which one's you? ^^;

[IceSage]

...So which one's you? ^^;

AisuSeijin, that's my youtube account name.

[Lord T Hawkeye]

I'm going to side with the guy who was confident enough in his argument that he downed a whole pack of sleeping pills to show they don't do anything.  ie: Randi

[MrBogosity]

They were homeopathic, of course.

[IceSage]

They were homeopathic, of course.

So Shane, you're good at researching things. Banacheck just linked me an article online (a shady and not very thorough article) about how certain plants fair better when treated with homeopathic medicine. I did some research, and first off.. anyone can post whatever they wish on that website... It's like wikipedia.

Second, the person who conducted the study and the organization doesn't seem to exist. Well, I'm sure the person exists, but not the organization.

I personally believe that when you give plants more water, they tend to fair better.

http://www.thescientificworld.com/TSW/toc/TSWJ_ArticleLanding.asp?jid=141&FromPage=Main&ArticleId=3110&navFrom=Main&From=Result&toggleArticleCloud=1

[Lord T Hawkeye]

If the homeopath claims were true, wouldn't our whole water supply be filled with drugs by now that would mess us up?  I mean, water in nature gets mixed and dilluted constantly no?

Or better yet, since arsenic causes death, making homeopathic water using it would produce the reverse and...become the water of life!  I have discovered immortality!  Mwa ha ha ha!!

[Virgil0211]

If the homeopath claims were true, wouldn't our whole water supply be filled with drugs by now that would mess us up?  I mean, water in nature gets mixed and dilluted constantly no?

Or better yet, since arsenic causes death, making homeopathic water using it would produce the reverse and...become the water of life!  I have discovered immortality!  Mwa ha ha ha!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8-Y9pz14aU

[yt-wide]D8-Y9pz14aU[/yt-wide]

(Why the hell doesn't embedding youtube videos work for me?)

[MrBogosity]

If the homeopath claims were true, wouldn't our whole water supply be filled with drugs by now that would mess us up?  I mean, water in nature gets mixed and dilluted constantly no?

Ah, but it's not succussed! It has to be struck ten times each in each of the three dimensions! THAT'S IMPORTANT!

Or better yet, since arsenic causes death, making homeopathic water using it would produce the reverse and...become the water of life!  I have discovered immortality!  Mwa ha ha ha!!

Actually, they do use arsenic for several treatments--although, oddly enough, not longevity...

[MrBogosity]

(Why the hell doesn't embedding youtube videos work for me?)

Don't put in the ?v=, just the garbage after it. Also, [yt-wide] works better for YouTube videos done in widescreen.

[Lord T Hawkeye]

I questioned him about Randi's repeated demonstrations where he downs 32 sleeping pills with no visible effect.  I got this as a response.

"For Randi, a man who evangelizes logic and critcal thinking, its disturbing to see him get up in front of an audience and pull a stunt like like that fornothing mroe than his self agrandizement, without any consideration as to who (a child for instance, or person of minimal intellect) might be encouraged to try something similar with a substance far more dangerous than what is touted as a homeopathic sleep aid.
There has already been at least one death of a child trying to imitate him."

And then adds another reply saying

"Although he may seem at first glance to be nothing more than a fool playing a twisted game for his own amusement, Randi is a very sick man, both mentally & phsyically, & rather than seeking proper & effective medical treatment , he has chosen to find company for his misery by spreading his illness to as many people as possible, to oppose modern science with his hallucinations, to draw children into his perverted traps & to wreak havoc on the sentiments of those who are seeking a higher truth."

I called him out on the fact that he didn't actually answer the real question: If homeopathy works, why is Randi able to take 10 times the normal dose with no visible effects?

I'm sure he'll say Randi used fake pills or some nonsense.

[MrBogosity]

Does he have a source for the death of the child supposedly imitating Randi?

All of Randi's health problems seem to have been handled quite competently by proper and effective (read: NOT homeopathic) medical treatment.

And, of course, Randi DID use fake pills, because that's what homeopathic pills ARE.

[Lord T Hawkeye]

Here's another way of looking at it. The strength of the remedy works in series, not in parrallel You can take 8 one & a half volt batteries, hook them in parrallel and you'll still get 1&1/2 volts. But if you hook them in serties, you get 12 volts. We see similar effects in homeopathy. If you dump 100 pills in your mouth, they're working in parrallel & you're getting the same "voltage" out of 100 as you would out of one. But if you take them in series, you're jolting your system 100 times.

This guy must think I was sleeping during science class in school.

[Travis Retriever]

This guy must think I was sleeping during science class in school.

Or that you and I both don't have a lick of common sense...

(On a side note, 400th post for me!!! )

[MrBogosity]

This guy must think I was sleeping during science class in school.

Or he slept when they covered Ohm's Law. The batteries wired in parallel increase in amperage, not voltage; the batteries wired in series increase in voltage, not amperage. But you STILL have the same amount of power increase. It's just that in parallel, you burn through it faster. So he really shot himself in the foot with that one.