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[MrBogosity]

Folks, DO NOT READ THIS ONE ALONE. Use the buddy system: have someone in the room with you to stop you jabbing a pencil into your brain before you even finish #3:

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/4-things-that-are-hurting-your-wife-and-killing-your-marriage/

[Lord T Hawkeye]

If that's the case, then every single human being on the planet has privilege.

You mean like the statists of convenience who haven't been inconvenienced too much by the state and thus don't see what all the fuss is about?

[AnCap Dave]

Conspiracy Theories Are Good For Libertarianism - Chris Cantwell

[AnCap Dave]

[Dallas Wildman]

What the fuck are you babbling about?

[evensgrey]

What the fuck are you babbling about?

An excellent question, given that Eric Garner appears to most likely have died of a heart attack (which is far more consistent with his repeated "I can't breath" comments than a brief sleeper hold, which is NOT a choke hold, it uses a completely different, much faster, and much SAFER mechanism for controlling the target).  Why did he have a heart attack?  Well, he was older, out of shape, overweight, and extremely stressed both before and during his attempt to resist arrest.  He was being arrested on suspicion of selling contraband cigarettes, which he had been convicted of several times already, and apparently had been (falsely, it appears, as he didn't have any with him) reported doing that day.

So, it looks like the police didn't do anything wrong within their own context of enforcing the existing laws.  Eric Garner died not because of the police, but because of the politicians at the level of both the state and city of New York imposing taxes on tobacco such that it is possible to make large amounts of money bringing in cigarettes from some other states and reselling them. (We have the same thing in Canada, BTW, but up here it's often Mohawks, who can buy tobacco tax free in the US part of one Reserve and get it into Canada through the Canadian part of the same Reserve, which has no meaningful border controls within it.)

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He's at it again. This time parroting the same "Cult" nonsense.

[MrBogosity]

Eric Garner died not because of the police, but because of the politicians at the level of both the state and city of New York imposing taxes on tobacco such that it is possible to make large amounts of money bringing in cigarettes from some other states and reselling them.

Wasn't that very argument rejected at the Nuremberg trials?

[AnCap Dave]

Eric Garner died not because of the police, but because of the politicians at the level of both the state and city of New York imposing taxes on tobacco such that it is possible to make large amounts of money bringing in cigarettes from some other states and reselling them.

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Seriously, while it's true that the police never would have bothered Garner were it not for the cigarette taxes in the first place, the fact remains that had the cop not put him in a choke hold, which it blatantly was, then none of this would have happened.

[evensgrey]

Seriously, while it's true that the police never would have bothered Garner were it not for the cigarette taxes in the first place, the fact remains that had the cop not put him in a choke hold, which it blatantly was, then none of this would have happened.

Are you aware of ANYONE COMPETENT who looked at the video and mistook a sleeper hold for a choke hold?  They are very different, and only resemble each other superficially.  The fact that he kept saying he couldn't breath (a COMMON symptom of heart attacks is the feeling of being unable to breath) well after he was released, despite there being no injury to his airway that could be found, suggests a heart attack as the cause of death, not any interference with his ability to breath, which he clearly could do since he was still TALKING.

Wasn't that very argument rejected at the Nuremberg trials?

You're going to have to make a relevant claim before I'm not going to laugh at you for not making a relevant claim.

It isn't the fault of police if you suffer a heart attack while resisting arrest.  Under the rules police have to operate under, they were correct to be arresting him.  That puts all blame on the people making the rules, the state and local politicians in New York.

It isn't like they shot him, then tazered him repeatedly (as happened in Toronto some time back).  Police who are arresting people for violating bad laws aren't the ones doing something wrong, the lawmakers are.

Most cops want to make their communities better, which is why they become cops in the first place.  That's why most cops who are forced to kill someone in the line of duty never really recover from it (and why ones like the London Special Branch cop who panicked and gunned down that Brazilian electrician in the summer of 2005 are so scary, since he was not only back on the job but killed someone else before the INVESTIGATION was even over).

[MrBogosity]

Are you aware of ANYONE COMPETENT who looked at the video and mistook a sleeper hold for a choke hold?

The coroner, who ruled it a homicide and disagrees with basically everything you said about it?

It isn't the fault of police if you suffer a heart attack while resisting arrest.

How was he resisting?

Under the rules police have to operate under, they were correct to be arresting him.  That puts all blame on the people making the rules, the state and local politicians in New York.

Yes, the police were "only following orders."

[evensgrey]

The coroner, who ruled it a homicide and disagrees with basically everything you said about it?

How was he resisting?

Yes, the police were "only following orders."

So, you know nothing about the case, and just want to make up stuff for no particular reason so you can invent wrongdoing by police who were only doing COMPLETELY LEGAL ACTIONS against a person who they had reasonable grounds to believe was currently violating that law as it stands.

Seriously, I'm not going to just take your word for it that ANYONE found the injuries you claim.  All 'homicide' means is that a person who wasn't him was the proximate cause of his demise (as opposed to suicide, where he would have been, or natural causes, where it was something else).

Not being aware that he was resisting is just you being ignorant about the case.  It would be like pretending that you thought Michael Brown wasn't actively attacking the cop who shot him: The OPPOSITE of an argument.

[MrBogosity]

So, you know nothing about the case, and just want to make up stuff for no particular reason

Wow, going back to woo mode, huh?

http://time.com/3071288/eric-garner-chokehold-death-nypd-medical-examiner/

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/medical-examiner-says-chokehold-police-officer-caused-death-nyc-man-ruled-homicide

Medical examiner spokeswoman Julie Bolcer said that the death was caused by "compression of neck (choke hold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police," and that asthma and heart disease also played a role.

This goes COMPLETELY against what you said.

Seriously, I'm not going to just take your word for it that ANYONE found the injuries you claim.

I'm sorry; I expected you to actually RESEARCH it, at least so much as finding out what the medical examiner said, especially before accusing ME of knowing nothing about the case and making stuff up!

All 'homicide' means is that a person who wasn't him was the proximate cause of his demise

The homicide ruling means that the policeman was responsible for his death. THAT is what "homicide" means, so stop with the shenanigans.

(as opposed to suicide, where he would have been, or natural causes, where it was something else).

And you were trying to make it out to be natural causes.

Not being aware that he was resisting is just you being ignorant about the case.

No, IDIOT. I saw the video. YOU are claiming he was resisting. YOU need to back it up. He wasn't complying, but noncompliance is NOT the same thing as resisting.

Stop behaving like a fucking creationist.

[evensgrey]

Wow, going back to woo mode, huh?

http://time.com/3071288/eric-garner-chokehold-death-nypd-medical-examiner/

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/medical-examiner-says-chokehold-police-officer-caused-death-nyc-man-ruled-homicide

This goes COMPLETELY against what you said.

I suppose you might think that if you hadn't actually READ them.  The first says his health was a contributing factor, and the second dates from BEFORE the autopsy report, so it isn't even relevant.

And now, to prevent further foolishness from you,

http://nypost.com/2014/07/19/man-in-chokehold-death-had-no-throat-damage-autopsy/

No throat damage, and a verdict of 'homicide' is consistent with the 'choke hold' (which, according to this, didn't significantly injure him) being just too much for him to handle on top of everything else.

I'm sorry; I expected you to actually RESEARCH it, at least so much as finding out what the medical examiner said, especially before accusing ME of knowing nothing about the case and making stuff up!

The homicide ruling means that the policeman was responsible for his death. THAT is what "homicide" means, so stop with the shenanigans.

And you were trying to make it out to be natural causes.

A heart attack induced by the actions of another person qualifies as a 'homicide' for this purpose.  The fact that he's still TALKING afterwards shows he wasn't having a serious problem ventilating after the 'choke hold'.

No, IDIOT. I saw the video. YOU are claiming he was resisting. YOU need to back it up. He wasn't complying, but noncompliance is NOT the same thing as resisting.

Stop behaving like a fucking creationist.

Projecting much?  The video shows him trying to resist, after having stated he was going to resist.

Now, here's a video by two guys who (claim to be, anyway) unarmed combat instructors that what are called 'blood chokes' are both safe and effective when properly applied and used, and point out (AGAIN) that Garner had chronic health problems, and that his asthma may have hit him under stress, leading to his cardiac arrest shortly afterwards.

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[Travis Retriever]

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