Fail Quotes

[AnCap Dave]

Holy fucking shit this guy is so deep within the muck of his own statist bullshit that he may actually drown in it.

I do not hold governments responsible for 330 million deaths. I think the notion is absurd and far fetched. The connection is extremely vague and non-descript.

To move along and reply to some of your arguments. I would like to see the hospital with a staff who is able to perform surgery for a herniated disc in the back, for one day's pay. I am not sure how much you know about hospitals, but you have normal doctors who do a check on you, send you to a specialist who usually uses some expensive equipment. Then you have to actually complete the surgery, with a vast number of medical personal on watch to tend for you. Medication is necessary to ensure the operation goes without complications. After that you have rehabilitation, with counciling and trainers to monitor you getting back to full recovery. I am not quite sure how you reckon either how expensive proper treatment is, or how many shortcuts you could, but should not make if you were to save money - an objective in a complete anarchy-capitalist society. The result is that only the rich get treated. Instead, the government requires taxes, and streamlines the hospitals so that they are as cost-efficient as possible (because the state is spending money on this, not profitting), while also being in line with the standards that are universally set by the same government. With taxes, you do not get the choice of helping out or not, to save yourself the cost by telling yourself that the risk of it happening you, isn't that big. Because when it hits you, you can't afford it alone, but society can because not all of society gets hospitalized each day.

I see you are also voting to remove the need for actual qualifications and degrees for work, with education on the Internet being free. After all, what ensures us a good school program, with everything from the curriculum to actual books and teachers, is at large the government. Without a common set of literature, you will have no certified degrees either recognized nationally and internationally, because there is no upper organ to recgonize and approve them. In a purely anarchy-capitalist country, you would have competing fields of study, where the employer would have one heck of a hard time telling which person actually has aquired a relevant skill set for the job.

Do you know what the top ladder of people in the government are? They are representatives. In a democracy, they are chosen by the people due to their skill and investment into gathering knowledge about how to run public systems benefitting you. They are meant to be better than your common man at that task, as it's their job. People in general, however, are not all fit to carry these responsibilities. There exist plenty of people who wouldn't give their neighbor a hand in lifting something heavy because he has a weak leg, because according to them, it is none of their business. Although much scrutinized, that is what politicians are there for - to make society better on behalf of you and the population.

About the "it must be bad because it has never been tried before". No, I don't agree. At the same time, there are certain things you do not do, because you have compelling enough arguments that it will, indeed, be a bad idea. Anarchy-capitalism is one of them, and every single economy in the world has landed on the same conclusion. You might theoretically by a long-shot be right, but there is also the high likeliness that everyone else actually aren't wrong.

Just...what in the actual fuck.

[dallen68]

This bit is actually "because" of government"

I am not sure how much you know about hospitals, but you have normal doctors who do a check on you, send you to a specialist who usually uses some expensive equipment. Then you have to actually complete the surgery, with a vast number of medical personal on watch to tend for you. Medication is necessary to ensure the operation goes without complications. After that you have rehabilitation, with counciling and trainers to monitor you getting back to full recovery. I am not quite sure how you reckon either how expensive proper treatment is, or how many shortcuts you could...

If it weren't for that, your doctor/nurse could watch you and bring in the specialist as needed...or do the surgery themselves. There's no shortcut involved just "not" involving those that not need to be involved.

[AnCap Dave]

So this guy is nuttier than squirrel shit.

And if the force is mainly for something good, why resist it? it's like swimming against the stream, instead of using it to propel you forwards.

While IronFury did not want me to use it, I will still use a classic term from the field of sosiology, to explain why a government is good. It's called the social contract. Briefly explained, it states that if all people had been enlightened, then they would have seen that a government is for the good of all of us, and they would not have been forced into joining it, because they would want to join it. Because anyone enlightened will see that living in a society has its benefits compared to being uncivilized. As long as you believe in enlightenment, then you should be able to believe in a government.

I already responded to his bullshit, but this guy is clearly an example of statism poisoning the mind far more than religion ever could.

[MrBogosity]

So this guy is nuttier than squirrel shit.

I already responded to his bullshit, but this guy is clearly an example of statism poisoning the mind far more than religion ever could.

And "Wow" at the start of his response:

Wow there. I am not the only one determining that. I am part of a democracy.

This has got to be some perverted version of the Bystander Effect (which isn't actually real). It's kind of like the accountability for the evil he espouses gets spread out over the population at large, so he gets to divide his culpability by 300 million. I'm convinced that this is why so many otherwise-good people can support the evil the state does.

[AnCap Dave]

And "Wow" at the start of his response:

This has got to be some perverted version of the Bystander Effect (which isn't actually real). It's kind of like the accountability for the evil he espouses gets spread out over the population at large, so he gets to divide his culpability by 300 million. I'm convinced that this is why so many otherwise-good people can support the evil the state does.

Unfortunately, he got the last word before the thread was locked, but god damn I can only deal with so much woo.

[MrBogosity]

Unfortunately, he got the last word before the thread was locked, but god damn I can only deal with so much woo.

Skimming through the thread, I have to wonder: what "infractions" were committed?

[AnCap Dave]

Skimming through the thread, I have to wonder: what "infractions" were committed?

-We take the "Be Polite" rule very seriously. We do not tolerate any rudeness. Any member who is intentionally unpleasant or disruptive may be banned without warning.

This one most likely. Though, if I'm being honest, I can't help but give someone no respect for thinking I'm their pawn to be used as they see fit. Fuck people like that.

[MrBogosity]

-We take the "Be Polite" rule very seriously. We do not tolerate any rudeness. Any member who is intentionally unpleasant or disruptive may be banned without warning.

This one most likely. Though, if I'm being honest, I can't help but give someone no respect for thinking I'm their pawn to be used as they see fit. Fuck people like that.

Yeah, one of the nice, vague ones they can make mean whatever they want it to at the time.

For the record: there is NO "Be Polite" rule on this forum. But then, you guys probably figured that out a long time ago...

[AnCap Dave]

Yeah, one of the nice, vague ones they can make mean whatever they want it to at the time.

For the record: there is NO "Be Polite" rule on this forum. But then, you guys probably figured that out a long time ago...

If there were, my ass would have been thrown out ages ago. I can't help it, when I see bullshit, I have to call it out, and if it calls for it, I'm not going to be friendly about it. Why the fuck should I accommodate someone who views me as a personal plaything for politicians?

[Travis Retriever]

And "Wow" at the start of his response:

This has got to be some perverted version of the Bystander Effect (which isn't actually real). It's kind of like the accountability for the evil he espouses gets spread out over the population at large, so he gets to divide his culpability by 300 million. I'm convinced that this is why so many otherwise-good people can support the evil the state does.

I hereby nominate all of that statist prick's posts for "most sociopathic smear ever." If not BBE.  But then, as with PZ Myers, I guess what he thinks/does sadly isn't atypical.  Double bogon points of he also cries about us being "greedy/uncaring" while he blows off 330 murders saying, govco didn't actually have fault...even though the evidence is right there and shoved in his face.

[Travis Retriever]

If there were, my ass would have been thrown out ages ago. I can't help it, when I see bullshit, I have to call it out, and if it calls for it, I'm not going to be friendly about it. Why the fuck should I accommodate someone who views me as a personal plaything for politicians?

As I said in Steam, it reminds me of a bit from RaymoudDundas a while back:

"...Where we part ways is that is that you—like most of the people in the country—grew up assuming its [the Social Contract's] legitimacy and moral superiority, and never bothered to question it.  Go back 200 years ago, you'd have defended slavery.  And go back 400 [years] and you'd have defended the absolute monarchy." --GunCriminal, 14:10 to the very end

[Travis Retriever]

"Wise men, when in DOUBT whether to speak or keep quiet, give themselves the benefit of the doubt and remain silent."--from a picture from a guy on FA called "Rehgan".  While not a fail in and of itself, I don't like how I know at least one liberal I know tends to use quotes like that to make themselves seem smart...*cough* MarauderOSU the first guy whose livejournal I got the first posting of fail quotes from *cough*

The comments are pretty fail:
SenkoLKE:  "Wise advice. Especially in this era so full of hatred and intolerance. "
I had to respond to that one with, "CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE! "
To which the clueless pillock responds with: "I'm a gay Hispanic atheist foreigner. I think I should be the one saying that "
What I'd like to respond with:  Who gives a shit?

Literary_Wolf:  "If only my students could learn this lesson...it would save them many trips to the office. (Laughs)"
Because when children are imprisoned in a school against their will, it's fun to laugh and punish them for understandably getting angry and acting out against it...dick.

[R.E.H.W.R.]

It never Fucking ENDS!

[Lord T Hawkeye]

It never Fucking ENDS!

I actually ranted to Wraith about this when I saw it.
"    Lifted millions of elderly people out of poverty?  You bribed the richest generation in America with blood money from the young and unborn.
    I love how they say "passed the clean water/air act" with no actual citation on how well those actually work
    Apparently good intentions are all it takes to impress the left
    They absolutely did NOT end segregation.  That's just a plain lie
    Hell, they worship a president who interred japanese citizens for no reason which tells you everything"

[Dallas Wildman]

Two particular points in the "Real Life" Section of TvTropes page of "Self-Fulfilling Prophecies"

+Economics: Investors' fears of a downturn in the stock market are one of the most common reasons for a downturn in the stock market.
++Recessions in general work similarly, since consumer confidence is a major factor. Once the news media alerts the general population that there might be a recession coming, people start spending less money, and before you know it, we're in a recession. The longer and louder the media goes on about it, the worse it's likely to be, in part because of the warnings.

Assuming that investors in general look at the stock market as a whole, instead of looking for sectors/businesses with new ideas/models.  Same goes with consumers, they're looking for the cheaper/cost-effective substitute.

Banking Runs are considered to be often impacted by the perception of a bank being solvent. In reality most banks can't withstand all of their liquid money being hit at once. The FDIC knows this, and their list of banks most likely to fail is considered to be top secret since publishing the list will cause runs on those banks and cause them to fail. An example is the Washington Mutual bank failure. Basically, it was going relatively okay until a bunch of people heard the bank might fail with the economic downturn. Then, in one day, 10% of its assets were withdrawn by panicky account holders, causing the bank to fail and get bought out by Chase. These are actually the Trope Namer. Robert K. Merton coined the phrase, and used a banking run as the canonical example. A particular real life example of a bank run was seen in the UK with Northern Rock. The bank quietly asked the Bank of England if they could have an extended overdraft (effectively), even though they didn't actually need it at that point. Word got out, leading to every branch in the country being besieged by savers desperate to take all their money out before the bank collapsed - which it wasn't in danger of doing until people panicked.

This isn't a stupid quote in of itself rather the FDIC's solution, as it is a blatant admission that they could be at any time propping up the illusion of safety.