Fail Quotes

[R.E.H.W.R.]

Isn't blind partisanship funny?
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[Travis Retriever]

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I never liked the blind trust many atheists put into liberal politics.  Sheesh.

[MrBogosity]

Maybe it's just obvious to me because of my editing experience, but how can people listen to that and NOT tell it's three different things said at three different times cobbled together?

[dallen68]

Sorry, some people *are* worth $2/hr. Like the unskilled, those that chronically miss work because of their "off hours activities", those that have failed repeatedly to keep a job for more than a couple months, those re-entering society after several years of being a guest in one our fine public institutions. As it is now, those people have almost no chance of getting hired; and are unlikely to qualify for public assistance because of not working the required hours. I mean, after about the 100th interviewer laughing in their face, most of them probably give up.

If we could get rid of the minimum wage, these people might be able to convince an employer to give them a chance in exchange for something less than the going rate for that position for awhile. When they show that whatever their problem was isn't any longer, they can ask for the difference or move elsewhere with the good work experience.

[MrBogosity]

Sorry, some people *are* worth $2/hr. Like the unskilled, those that chronically miss work because of their "off hours activities", those that have failed repeatedly to keep a job for more than a couple months, those re-entering society after several years of being a guest in one our fine public institutions. As it is now, those people have almost no chance of getting hired; and are unlikely to qualify for public assistance because of not working the required hours. I mean, after about the 100th interviewer laughing in their face, most of them probably give up.

If we could get rid of the minimum wage, these people might be able to convince an employer to give them a chance in exchange for something less than the going rate for that position for awhile. When they show that whatever their problem was isn't any longer, they can ask for the difference or move elsewhere with the good work experience.

Pretty much what I just said:

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[BreadGod]

I never liked the blind trust many atheists put into liberal politics.  Sheesh.

That's statheism for ya. Most atheists didn't actually abandon religion, they just replaced one religion with another.

http://www.salon.com/2014/02/02/why_youre_wrong_about_communism_7_huge_misconceptions_about_it_and_capitalism/

Stalin didn't kill THAT many people, u gaiz! But those libertarians, man. They're worse than Hitler!

[Skm1091]

It's really funny that these statists accuse us of being immoral, when they are the ones blocking, deleting, lying and editing.

[Altimadark]

I'm not familiar with the The Zeitgeist Movement, but after conversing with one Rui PTG, it sounds, well, bogus...

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Rui PTG
learn about astronomy and cosmology, find out how planets were formed, and how our planet specifically was formed. then tell me if you still think any human can claim to "own" land, or anything for that matter. we can keep pretending this system or other similar ones (like free market-ism) work well but it ignores the planet's balance completely - hence why we are interrupting it all

(later)
If there was a piece of land in the middle of the atlantic and i got there first, is the land magically mine now?

(later still)
I just don't understand how people can go out of their way to denounce a system with no flaw, other then ''how the hell will i be able to own things!?'' When it offers everything for free...(incomprehensible)

Altimadark
I'm not denouncing a flawless system. I'm asking you how your system works, and so far, you seem to have problems answering.

How [does it offer everything for free]? Magic?

Everything can be made mechanized to help people work less, or need no human work at all - its one of the main [The Zeitgeist Movement] topics... We either embrace it...or keep acting like we're afraid of what is here to help us.

I almost find it amusing how he can dismiss the concept ownership as belief in magic, yet his own "flawless" system more or less runs on it. Clearly he has no understanding of astronomy, physics... or science of any kind, really.

That aside, I'm about ready to store "The Zeitgeist Movement" into the roundfile. Feel free to stop me if you think I shouldn't.

[MrBogosity]

That aside, I'm about ready to store "The Zeitgeist Movement" into the roundfile. Feel free to stop me if you think I shouldn't.

They're towards the bottom of mine, mixed in with chemtrail nuts and the "Building 7" truthers.

[Travis Retriever]

I'm not familiar with the The Zeitgeist Movement, but after conversing with one Rui PTG, it sounds, well, bogus...

Think Communism with magic robots.  Basically money = the source of evil, and by going back to a barter economy, all will be good; as we will have robots doing all the work for us without workers having to compete (:0) with them.

[Skm1091]

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Just from the title alone

[evensgrey]

Think Communism with magic robots.  Basically money = the source of evil, and by going back to a barter economy, all will be good; as we will have robots doing all the work for us without workers having to compete (:0) with them.

They've also got this bizarre idea that somehow, magically, they can eliminate scarcity, which is where I realized that it's completely bogus.

It cannot ever be the case that nothing is scarce.  All technology ever lets you do is get your limiting resources from new sources or change your limiting resources to something easier to come by.  Even if you could freely convert between mass (in any form) and energy with zero losses, you'd still have a limited quantity of mass-energy available.

This silly idea that robots will make everything witout human labor is precisely that: Silly. Reducing the labor content of goods and services in general is a good thing, and look at the abundance of goods and services we have as a result. Robots, however, suck at a whole range of things, including any kind of real customization. While advanced tools like 3D printers and laser cutters make building custom items easier than ever before, they do it by using the best talents of humans (at designing things, and assembly of complicated things) and the best talents of robots (doing repetitious or dangerous things precisely and tirelessly)

[MrBogosity]

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Just from the title alone

Let me guess: it boils down to, "Well, *I* didn't see any unseen effects!"

[Travis Retriever]

They've also got this bizarre idea that somehow, magically, they can eliminate scarcity, which is where I realized that it's completely bogus.

It cannot ever be the case that nothing is scarce.  All technology ever lets you do is get your limiting resources from new sources or change your limiting resources to something easier to come by.  Even if you could freely convert between mass (in any form) and energy with zero losses, you'd still have a limited quantity of mass-energy available.

This silly idea that robots will make everything witout human labor is precisely that: Silly. Reducing the labor content of goods and services in general is a good thing, and look at the abundance of goods and services we have as a result. Robots, however, suck at a whole range of things, including any kind of real customization. While advanced tools like 3D printers and laser cutters make building custom items easier than ever before, they do it by using the best talents of humans (at designing things, and assembly of complicated things) and the best talents of robots (doing repetitious or dangerous things precisely and tirelessly)

Oh yeah.  Thanks.  That was the other thing--that if they do what I listed above (get rid of money and have magic robots build everything) all scarcity will be gone.  And according to them, since scarcity is the reason we have war, poverty, racial strife, etc,  anyone who opposes this perfection is therefore against a flawless system and is therefore against peace, prosperity, equality, etc.  Which, if it were really true, wouldn't there be no problems with IP?  As last I checked thoughts/ideas/etc are about the closest thing to non-scarce as exists in this universe.  Yet strife still happens with it.  It's almost as if the cause of these things is, oh, I dunno, the initiation of force/fraud, especially perpetuated by governments and/or us just living in a world of scarcity as is a fact and basic tenant of economics and as all the real world data shows.  Funny how that works...

Oh, and they also say they can't just test the idea in, say, a small city area because it wouldn't count.  No, it would HAVE to be the entire world that does it for it to work.  Yeah, sound familiar?

Yeah, I've argued with these nutbars before.  One of them (a wolf fur named Midnite on FA:  https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=278 ) tried to pull the old, "oh well, it's too complicated for me or someone like you to possibly understand!" cop out.  Funny, as I summarized it quite succinctly. :3  Meanwhile, his friend is blathering on to me about how hard, time consuming and expensive it is to make new drugs, etc.  Um, yeah, because that totally has NOTHING to do with the FDA and its bullshit, right?  Dumbasses.

[Travis Retriever]

Let me guess: it boils down to, "Well, *I* didn't see any unseen effects!"

Dear Minimum Wage Supporters,

If it's really that damn easy to make people earn more without increasing their productivity, why stop there?  Advocate a minimum wage of $9001/hour and index it to the average price of food.  If it's that damn easy...

Sincerely,

Travis Retriever

PS:  No, no bullshit about, "that's stupid! We do it for the living wage!  Yer uh meaneh!" If you want to be taken seriously, be consistent.