Fail Quotes

[MrBogosity]

Guess they forgot about asset forfeiture.  Among other things...

Like Warren v. DC?

[Travis Retriever]

Like Warren v. DC?

I'm afraid to even ask what that is...

[nilecroc]

I'm afraid to even ask what that is...

http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/warren.html

Pretty dispicable.

[Travis Retriever]

http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/warren.html

Pretty dispicable.

The last sentence of it said it all.  That was horrible...

[BlameThe1st]

[yt]r6ee-1Ux2sE[/yt]

He doesn't believe that the average person can't make informed decisions about what the future can learn, and yet he believes a group of bureaucrats can. One person cannot make an informed decision, but a group of people can.

And then he acknowledges that we need to experiment with new ways and methods of education, but the only way to allow such experimentation is to let local districts and states decide their own curriculums and experiment with their own methods. You can't have such experimentation on the federal level.

And of course, be believes the best way to improve education is through federal standards. Uh, yeah, how well has education fared for the past 30 years with the implementation of the Department of Education?

[dallen68]

[yt]r6ee-1Ux2sE[/yt]

He doesn't believe that the average person can't make informed decisions about what the future can learn, and yet he believes a group of bureaucrats can. One person cannot make an informed decision, but a group of people can.

And then he acknowledges that we need to experiment with new ways and methods of education, but the only way to allow such experimentation is to let local districts and states decide their own curriculums and experiment with their own methods. You can't have such experimentation on the federal level.

And of course, be believes the best way to improve education is through federal standards. Uh, yeah, how well has education fared for the past 30 years with the implementation of the Department of Education?

The part about informed decisions sounds fishy either way. We all make informed decisions every day, both as individuals and as groups. The part about bureaucrats being better able to make this decision instead of people that actually have an investment in the outcome is like "what?".

Federal standards in this regard will always hold back the standards to the lowest common denominator; the original purpose (whether intended or not) was to have consistency of stupid, not improvement of education. Prior to (some unknown point in the early to mid 90's) it was not at all uncommon for a student moving from one area to another to be moved forward or back a grade because they were ahead or behind of their classmates. Doing it on the state level, or even the district level only reduces the spread of denominators; which may make the lowest common one higher or lower than the national average.

A better approach would be to have as many options available as possible, that way parents and students, and who ever they want to include can see what works for them.

[nilecroc]

Yes we are sore that you let each other buy guns when most of you are stupidly quick to use them and our chances of getting murdered in th uk are ridiculously less. Moron
n the US – population 311.5 million (1) – there were an estimated 13,756 murders in 2009 (2), a rate of about 5.0 per 100,000 (3). Of these 9,203 were carried out with a firearm.

In the UK – population 56.1 million (4) – there were an estimated 550 murders in 2011-12 (5), a rate of about 1.4 per 100,000. Of these 39 were carried out with a firearm (6).

[dallen68]

Yes we are sore that you let each other buy guns when most of you are stupidly quick to use them and our chances of getting murdered in th uk are ridiculously less. Moron
n the US – population 311.5 million (1) – there were an estimated 13,756 murders in 2009 (2), a rate of about 5.0 per 100,000 (3). Of these 9,203 were carried out with a firearm.

In the UK – population 56.1 million (4) – there were an estimated 550 murders in 2011-12 (5), a rate of about 1.4 per 100,000. Of these 39 were carried out with a firearm (6).

Who are you talking/referring to?

[nilecroc]

Who are you talking/referring to?

It was an old facebook post I read talking about homocide statstics in britian.

[Travis Retriever]

It was an old facebook post I read talking about homocide statstics in britian.

Can you put it in quotes with the source next time?

[Lord T Hawkeye]

[yt]r6ee-1Ux2sE[/yt]

He doesn't believe that the average person can't make informed decisions about what the future can learn, and yet he believes a group of bureaucrats can. One person cannot make an informed decision, but a group of people can.

And then he acknowledges that we need to experiment with new ways and methods of education, but the only way to allow such experimentation is to let local districts and states decide their own curriculums and experiment with their own methods. You can't have such experimentation on the federal level.

And of course, be believes the best way to improve education is through federal standards. Uh, yeah, how well has education fared for the past 30 years with the implementation of the Department of Education?

That's what I love about statist solutions.  You don't even have to explain why they're bad ideas.  99% of the time, it's stuff that's already been done.

[Skm1091]

It was an old facebook post I read talking about homocide statstics in britian.

They seem to forget that their overall homicide rate was even lower before gun control and our homicide has dropped by half since 1992 despite the increase in gun ownership.

I have had some people argue that they don't care that our homicide has dropped, because it is still higher than the UK. So what they are saying basically is that they don't care how much their homicide rises as long as it's lower compared to the US rate.

Snobbery, Arrogance, Elitism, and Racism at it's finest

[nilecroc]

Can you put it in quotes with the source next time?

Maybe. I was feeling lazy and typing a report.

[evensgrey]

They seem to forget that their overall homicide rate was even lower before gun control and our homicide has dropped by half since 1992 despite the increase in gun ownership.

I have had some people argue that they don't care that our homicide has dropped, because it is still higher than the UK. So what they are saying basically is that they don't care how much their homicide rises as long as it's lower compared to the US rate.

Snobbery, Arrogance, Elitism, and Racism at it's finest

They also don't care that violent crime rates are as much as four times higher in the UK than in the US, and that proportions of murders committed with different weapon types (blunt objects, edged weapons, firearms, and even bare hands) are essentially the same, indicating that the murder rate in the UK is not lower due to an absence of firearms but because of differences in the attitudes of criminals.

[Skm1091]

They also don't care that violent crime rates are as much as four times higher in the UK than in the US, and that proportions of murders committed with different weapon types (blunt objects, edged weapons, firearms, and even bare hands) are essentially the same, indicating that the murder rate in the UK is not lower due to an absence of firearms but because of differences in the attitudes of criminals.

Their homicide rate also might actually be UNDERESTIMATED. UK has a different definition of homicide than the US and I also read somewhere that three murders done by one person in the UK is counted as ONE murder and for gun crime the gun doesn't even have to fired.