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[AnCap Dave]

"IM IN THE US ARMY SUPPORT YOUR TROOPS OR GO FUCK YOUR SELF!"

My cousin.

[Travis Retriever]

"Nazism is a form of Free Market Capitalism." --Various Marxists

[Lord T Hawkeye]

"Nazism is a form of Free Market Capitalism." --Various Marxists

Want to frustrate people who say that?  Ask them point blank what was the name of Hitler's political party when he was running.

[AnCap Dave]

This was posted on another forum, which had a Religion vs. Atheism thread.

You know, since the day I joined, I tried to stay away from this thread, being that I could care less for the belief of others . . . but both sides are being equally hypocritical lately.

Let me start by saying that I'm Christian. Not Lutheran, not Baptist, not Catholic, just Christian.

Now, my reason for following Christianity is simply because I believe in the message it has. I do well to be as kind as I can in the real world. Most people do, whether they believe in God or not.

And not just the Old Testament, as Jesus himself said that some of those writings were a bit stupid and outdated. But the general message of spreading love when you can.

And that's all.

Not any teachings or any proof, just belief. Belief in a principle.

Atheism and Religion are pretty much the same.

It's all belief.

Buddhism says you'll be in Nirvana, at peace.
Christianity says you'll be in Heaven, at peace.
Atheism says you'll be at peace. Just without the imagery.

The thing is, both sides have this set of people who say things like "stop trying to shove your belief down my throat", as they fight to switch people to their belief.

Both sides have these people who switch simply because they can see one reason that deems their belief invalid.

Both have zen. People who make peace with it all and choose to let everyone live their lives accordingly.

The point is, what you do here is what you do here. There are many Christians who break their "rules" because they seem unfair. Just as there are many Atheists who still celebrate Christmas for the joy in brings into their life.

The general message of all religion (except maybe Satanism) is that you should enjoy your life without stepping on the lives of others. And there are not many who can follow that rule. So when people find those special ones that can, they tend to believe that these people are of some sort of higher power (Dalai Lama, Pope, etc.) and they follow them instead of the general message of the religion.

What I'm saying is that religion has gotten a bad rep, simply because of the people in it and not entirely the religion itself.

However, without religion, Atheism would fail. People say Atheism is the belief of nothingness after life, but I think it's simply the rejection of religion. If religion never existed, would Atheism be named? Would it have a title or would things go on as normal?

You see, to those who take up the TITLE of Atheism, you already say that you are simply rejecting the beliefs of Religion. For if things like Religion were never spoke of, neither would things like Atheism be.

I guess I'm trying to say that in this huge difference between these beliefs, we're actually more alike than we think.

Well, now that I've said all of that, I'll explain my reason for believing in God.

Art.

The universe has always appeared to me as a well-drawn picture.

In art, when you make a mistake or leave something out, it becomes the question of the bigger picture (where is the Sphinx's nose, where is Mona Lisa's eyebrows). This causes people to wonder for years and years, never truly finding the right answer. After awhile, some people start to think that it was intentional and thus, they preach their reason to other people. Some believe it's unfinished, that it was never given the opportunity.

But it causes people to spectacle and praise it's work regardless, they claim it beautiful despite the flaws. And although there are some that reject it's beauty in general, they still revel in the genius of it all.

I see the universe, I see the trees and the shapes and colors they can change into. I see the stars and the constellations they form. I see pictures of Nebulae in all their beauty. Even the sun, which is a ball of light, has texture to it. This art, I can never picture such things as an accident, even if it was before man conceived the meaning of accident. They seem so perfect.

Then it's us. Humans. We're the mistake. Something was left out. We can never seem to bring ourselves to peace. We wage war for different reasons, we need guidance to keep us steady. We fight with each other, we kill each other. We impose our nature on animals, plants, even nature itself. But the reason behind it is never clear. We ponder it. Some believe it was intentional that we be this way. Some believe it to be that we're unfinished as people. That we must be made whole. And then there are those who just reject the beauty of life in general and get it over with (suicide, homicide, etc.).

But regardless of this mistake, we praise the beauty of it all. Even those who reject appreciate the genius of it.

The thing is, with art, you never quite claim it to be a mistake. You try to find reason in art, but you never look at it as a general mistake. You never think that someone just haphazardly stroked a brush and got this beautiful work. You never figure that some paint cans just spilled a masterpiece. It's work that was made so carefully.

But for all art, there has to be an artist.

So, I question the artist's goal with this masterpiece. I wonder whether it's intentional or unfinished. But, I will never question if there was a genius behind it all, carefully planning his strokes.

[MrBogosity]

The thing is, both sides have this set of people who say things like "stop trying to shove your belief down my throat",

Yeah, that would be those who love freedom and liberty.

as they fight to switch people to their belief.

Fight? As in, violence? I don't think so. Although there are numerous religious wars and violence, I haven't seen a single atheist use violence to try and convert others. So you must be using "fight" as a euphemism for intellectual persuasion, to which I answer, what's wrong with that?

Both sides have these people who switch simply because they can see one reason that deems their belief invalid.

That's what you SHOULD do when you find a reason your belief is invalid! Yet you say this as if it's a bad thing.

Just as there are many Atheists who still celebrate Christmas for the joy in brings into their life.

Just like Christians celebrate Christmas using the ancient pagan practice of decorating trees and positioning it after the solstice so their sympathetic magic can bring about springtime. See? Two can play at that game!

What I'm saying is that religion has gotten a bad rep, simply because of the people in it and not entirely the religion itself.

The religion IS the people in it. It can't ever be anything else.

However, without religion, Atheism would fail. People say Atheism is the belief of nothingness after life, but I think it's simply the rejection of religion. If religion never existed, would Atheism be named? Would it have a title or would things go on as normal?

You see, to those who take up the TITLE of Atheism, you already say that you are simply rejecting the beliefs of Religion. For if things like Religion were never spoke of, neither would things like Atheism be.

And no one would love for that to be the situation more than atheists. We only take on the moniker because of religious people getting in our faces.

In art, when you make a mistake or leave something out, it becomes the question of the bigger picture (where is the Sphinx's nose, where is Mona Lisa's eyebrows).

The Sphinx originally had a nose; it was chiseled off by Sufi Muslims. Likewise, the Mona Lisa originally had eyebrows (although they would have been scant, since proper ladies plucked theirs) that have faded away due to time and restoration attempts.* Way not to do research!

I see the stars and the constellations they form.

They really don't, you know. Constellations are just inventions of the human imagination.

Even the sun, which is a ball of light, has texture to it. This art, I can never picture such things as an accident, even if it was before man conceived the meaning of accident. They seem so perfect.

The sun hardly seems perfect to anyone who's seen it through a powerful-enough telescope!

We impose our nature on animals, plants, even nature itself.

Like you have done in this very post. There is one field of human endeavor, however, that flat out refuses to do this: science.

You never think that someone just haphazardly stroked a brush and got this beautiful work.

I take it you've never seen Jackson Pollock.

But for all art, there has to be an artist.

Except for when it doesn't, when natural processes that are very well understood make beautiful things like sunsets and the nebulae you mentioned. Art is in the eye of the beholder. So really, after all this, we're left with nothing more than the centuries-long-refuted teleological argument.

(*-Another occasion where I get to use my art degree!)

[Travis Retriever]

Want to frustrate people who say that?  Ask them point blank what was the name of Hitler's political party when he was running.

To which the usual response is, "So what?  North Korea is called 'The People's Democratic Republic', but it isn't a republic, or democratic!"

[Ibrahim90]

To which the usual response is, "So what?  North Korea is called 'The People's Democratic Republic', but it isn't a republic, or democratic!"

well, you can avoid that by simply listing the party platform in detail-both in their books, and in action. it is very explicit:

1-an economy policy that is anticapitalist, anti big business, and anti "bourgeoisie". it's also anti-communist and "socialist" sensu communism and social democrats. this strand of socialism is called [wiki]Strasserism[/wiki]
2-strong central command, based around a führer (lit. leader). no private property was acknowledged, unless it directly furthered Nazi aims; those that didn't were immediately subject to nationalization by force, or the threat of the aformentioned. (e.g. the Junkers airplane company)
3-an economy not only that is centralized, but built for military rearmament and for the maintenance of "germaness".

worth noting is that in their propoganda, the NSDAP under Hitler toned down the socialism aspect, so as to sucker the big businesses. this led to a split within the party, though that is another story. either way, the NSDAP was clearly in favor of a socialist or socialist like economic policy, built around a central economy.

the list goes on. simply put, there is not evidence to support the idea that the NSDAP actually supported any form of free market. they may have talked like they were, but they were not. and of course, they were nationalists too, whose nationalism is built around racism, especially towards Jews.

[AnCap Dave]

This video is bullshit. The Constitution is not a limit imposed upon us. The Constitution is amendable... it says so in the Constitution! And calling for a Constitutional amendment defining marriage as a union of one man and one woman isn't unconstitutional! And that's what we have to do or else gay marriage will become law according to the liberals in many states. Gay marriage is an abomination. Homosexuality is NOT normal. They're trying to normalize it because it's NOT normal. - DOHC2L

That was his comment on this video:
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[MrBogosity]

I split off the gold standard discussion to a new thread: https://www.bogosity.tv/forum/index.php?topic=1375.0

[AnCap Dave]

If your eight-year-old is stealing a little old lady's house payment, hit him. PLEASE! I mean it. If your kid is in the realm of honest-to-God crime, and sending him to his room isn't helping, DO SOMETHING!

Someone posted that comment when I posted this video:
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[Ibrahim90]

If your eight-year-old is stealing a little old lady's house payment, hit him. PLEASE! I mean it. If your kid is in the realm of honest-to-God crime, and sending him to his room isn't helping, DO SOMETHING!

Someone posted that comment when I posted this video:
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that didn't work for my brother....

of course, it didn't help that evidence points to him being innocent.

[Lord T Hawkeye]

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-things-rich-people-need-to-stop-saying/

Oy vey...let's take this on point by point.

6. Okay yeah, perspective is a good thing.  No arguments here.

5. "The only reason I have a hundred times more money than you is because I work a hundred times as hard!"
Nobody is saying that.  That's a gross oversimplification.  Rich people work hard  but they also took bigger financial risks, meaning all that hard work could easily have been for nothing had anything gone wrong.

It's not just a matter of how much you work, it's where you work and how you went about it.  WAY more factors involved that he's implying.

4. Well that WOULD be the case if regulation and barriers to entry weren't keeping many people from doing so but that's not the rich people's fault, it's the governments.  Stop being so easily distracted people.  You're being duped.

Also nobody saying we could have a society where everyone is an investment banker.  In a free society, there will be people who don't want to put in all that overtime and would rather just do the bare minimum to get by and live the simple life.  That's perfectly fine.

The goal of libertarians is a society where poverty is optional.

3. Nope, the hippies are jealous.  Let's just stop the self righteousness and call things what they are.

The comparison only proves that it's driven by bigotry and not by morals.  If you're a business man, oh you MUST have stolen it!  No way you worked for it by giving people something they wanted.

People blather on about how the rich should chip in but what they forget is, the rich ALREADY chipped in, that's how they got rich!  By providing society with something that they happily gave you their money for.  Demanding they chip in after the fact is double dipping.

2. Again, double dipping.  They already gave in their share which you paid them for.  You don't also get a cut of their profits when you didn't lift a finger to make their business happen or take any financial risks.  Get your fangs out and stop bloodsucking.

1. Aaaaand now we come to the real bogosity.

I don't owe my mother for raising me.  She took on that duty by her own choice and I didn't have a say in the matter.
I got smart DESPITE the school system, not because of it.  Stop encouraging that glorified mafia already!

Nobody's talking about disconnecting from society.  The point that completely went over Mr Wong's head here is that demanding handouts using state force makes you an asshole.  Once again, he just overstates the case to the point where he looks like a clueless twat.

[FSBlueApocalypse]

While the article really is a fail, anything that makes Wayne Allyn Root look like an even bigger douche than he is already is alright in my book.

[FSBlueApocalypse]

I love the Patriot Act because it keeps us safe from terrorists, liberals and Marxists alike.

*Just stares*

[AnCap Dave]

"Spanking is ok to me and isn't violence like @D is making it seem its only violence when done out of anger or with the intent to harm the person yes spankings hurt but its not to cause pain its to discipline and show that there are consequenses for certain actions you get rewarded when you do good and if you go to school and curse your teacher you get your ass spanked well for me any way and my 3 siblings and we all turned out great. Also most of my freinds I grew up with got whippings growing up and they all turned out decent or at least aren't out comitting crimes or are scarred from it."

Yes, because your emotions at the time totally dictate whether or not something is an act of violence right?