Fail Quotes

[AnCap Dave]

Yep! It's MINE! MINE! MINE!!!

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[MrBogosity]

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Exactly!

[dallen68]

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:facepalm: First off, e-cigs are not a smoking cessation device, it's an alternative to traditional cigarettes. Whether they are any safer than normal cigarettes, overall, has not been determined. Of course, since they aren't burning plant matter it would at least avoid the property damage associated with cigarette smoke... Which is what a lot of people are actually complaining about. I'll grant him that people should verify that it's all right to do it when others are around. Just like you would with any of the other things listed.

[MrBogosity]

:facepalm: First off, e-cigs are not a smoking cessation device, it's an alternative to traditional cigarettes.

Actually, a lot of people have used e-cigs to quit smoking, and they seem to be better at that than almost anything else on the market.

Whether they are any safer than normal cigarettes, overall, has not been determined.

Yes, it has. They're safer. No question. Check the podcast archives.

It's just nicotine dissolved in a solvent. NONE of the health problems from cigarette smoking come from the nicotine, but from other components in the tobacco.

I'll grant him that people should verify that it's all right to do it when others are around. Just like you would with any of the other things listed.

Notice that his "worst case scenario"--the absolute worst possible thing that could happen--is someone vaping in front of him in a theatre? He doesn't even realize that that's vapor, not smoke, which is why it's called vaping and not smoking!

[R.E.H.W.R.]

[dallen68]

It's just nicotine dissolved in a solvent. NONE of the health problems from cigarette smoking come from the nicotine, but from other components in the tobacco.

No, my argument was e-cigs are not used for the PURPOSE of smoking sensation. They are intended for me to keep ... using tobacco .... without offending   Shane.

[AnCap Dave]

No, my argument was e-cigs are not used for the PURPOSE of smoking sensation. They are intended for me to keep ... using tobacco .... without offending   Shane.

Except tobacco isn't in e-cigs. So that makes no sense.

[AdeptusHereticus]

Notice that his "worst case scenario"--the absolute worst possible thing that could happen--is someone vaping in front of him in a theatre? He doesn't even realize that that's vapor, not smoke, which is why it's called vaping and not smoking!

I think this part of his argument was just about the vapor bothering him when watching. Nothing to do with breathing it. At least that's how I understood it.

Now, the question is : Why does he want the authorities to intervene when owners of each of the places he mentioned could make up rules by themself ? That's like countries where you can't smoke cigarettes in pub, bars etc. Who do you harm when doing so ? People come willingly and can willingly choose another venue.

[AnCap Dave]

[Travis Retriever]

Damnit Bob, you just went Full McIntosh/Full Potato again.

[dallen68]

Except tobacco isn't in e-cigs. So that makes no sense.

Except it does, it's still nicotine.

[AnCap Dave]

Except it does, it's still nicotine.

So by that logic, nicotine patches, gum and all those other products to help quit smoking are meant to keep you hooked on tobacco.

[dallen68]

So by that logic, nicotine patches, gum and all those other products to help quit smoking are meant to keep you hooked on tobacco.

I didn't say that. The e-cig didn't make the choice to use tobacco -or more specifically nicotine- I did. All those other things, I suppose, could be used as alternative methods of doing so. What my point still is, is that the e-cig allows me to pursue my pleasure without listening to you bitch about it. Also, the package the e-cig comes in states that it is not a smoking cessation device. People that use gums, or patches, usually are trying to quit, those that use e-cigs may not be. Usually, they're like me and are seeking an alternative.

[MrBogosity]

Also, the package the e-cig comes in states that it is not a smoking cessation device.

Because they haven't proven to the FDA that it is. Doesn't mean it doesn't work.

People that use gums, or patches, usually are trying to quit, those that use e-cigs may not be. Usually, they're like me and are seeking an alternative.[/quote]

There have been reports of people switching to e-cigs and ending up quitting even if that wasn't their intention!

[dallen68]

There have been reports of people switching to e-cigs and ending up quitting even if that wasn't their intention!

Fair enough. That's exactly what happened.

Because they haven't proven to the FDA...

Which is what I meant when I said:

Whether they are any safer than normal cigarettes, overall, has not been determined