Fail Quotes

[Travis Retriever]

And now Rusty Shackleton: "I swear every time you cite a source I have to facepalm.  It's like you have absolutely no idea how to cite or vet a source.  You post an article published by an academic journal hidden behind a paywall and then claim "THIS IS THE OFFICIAL STANCE OF THE JOURNAL!".  No... moron.  It's the stance of the two authors of the unreadable paper that you only read the abstract of that made it past the editorial board.

"Jesus, you gun nuts are fucking IDIOTS."

When a) being behind a paywall has NOTHING to do with the validity of the study, b) citing a source IN a journal is NOT the same as saying it's their "official stance" (which I clearly never said), and c) two of the three studies WEREN'T BEHIND PAYWALLS! You could download them just by clicking the link!

Geez...

I also love the, "I'm not on *their* side, I'm just debunking gunnut bullshit." Riiight.  "Now I'm not a creationist, but..." Yeah, heard it all before.
Btw, in your latest comment, I thought Rusty was the one who made the metaphor of cancer research/treatment not you?  What's more, I guess in his world, the CDC, the Brady Report (?), the university studies, to name but a few are 'incredible sources'.  Good lord.

[Travis Retriever]

And now Rusty Shackleton: "I swear every time you cite a source I have to facepalm.  It's like you have absolutely no idea how to cite or vet a source.  You post an article published by an academic journal hidden behind a paywall and then claim "THIS IS THE OFFICIAL STANCE OF THE JOURNAL!".  No... moron.  It's the stance of the two authors of the unreadable paper that you only read the abstract of that made it past the editorial board.

"Jesus, you gun nuts are fucking IDIOTS."

When a) being behind a paywall has NOTHING to do with the validity of the study, b) citing a source IN a journal is NOT the same as saying it's their "official stance" (which I clearly never said), and c) two of the three studies WEREN'T BEHIND PAYWALLS! You could download them just by clicking the link!

Geez...

"Your claim has been "gun control doesn't work".  You didn't start from the position: "does gun control work?" and then attempt to find sources to answer this question."
Because fuck the null hypothesis, right?

[MrBogosity]

"Your claim has been "gun control doesn't work".  You didn't start from the position: "does gun control work?" and then attempt to find sources to answer this question."
Because fuck the null hypothesis, right?

Yeah, and like I was born 5 seconds before the thread started and hadn't had years beforehand to research and come to the conclusion.

[Travis Retriever]

Yeah, and like I was born 5 seconds before the thread started and hadn't had years beforehand to research and come to the conclusion.

I know right?! It's like the religious zealots who think atheists have never heard of the Bible/God/etc... even though we were raised in a very pro-Christian Culture (>75% of the nation being Christian and much more than that when we were all younger) and have all heard these bogus arguments of theirs before, found refutations to them and then became atheists.

[AnCap Dave]

Stef did an analysis of the movie Frozen.

Apparently, a children's movie can't just be a children's movie.

He also goes on this tangent about how magic always represents madness and violence, going as far as to say, and I quote:

Magic in stories is always and forever a metaphor for madness; it stands for psychosis and delusion and the violence that inevitably results when madness is challenged by prosaic reality. "Harry Potter" for instance is the story of a violent and psychotic young boy who ends up in a mental institution - called "Hogwarts" - and surrenders to his delusions of grandeur. Ditto "Star Wars."

[Travis Retriever]

Stef did an analysis of the movie Frozen.

Apparently, a children's movie can't just be a children's movie.

He also goes on this tangent about how magic always represents madness and violence, going as far as to say, and I quote:

And as I told D in AIM--fun fact:
In Black Boy by Richard Wright, his grandmom wouldn't let him read comics or anything fiction because, "it violates the 9th commandment for lying because it's fiction and therefore a lie!"
Yes, Stef just used the same argument as a crazy old Christian fundamentalist.

[R.E.H.W.R.]

Stef did an analysis of the movie Frozen.

Apparently, a children's movie can't just be a children's movie.

He also goes on this tangent about how magic always represents madness and violence, going as far as to say, and I quote:

So, a story about a young woman's fear about her uncontrollable powers and how that fear is making it worse is a metaphor for mental illness?
What?!?

[Travis Retriever]

Every comment by DarkRiderDLMC on this DA journal without exception:  http://lordthawkeye.deviantart.com/journal/Abortion-since-I-haven-t-covered-it-382518716

Because the guy on that journal of his has got to be the most self righteous prick I've ever seen Hawkeye deal with (on the right at least).

I'd take anti-abortionists claims of "wanting them to be born to give them a chance at a better life!" a bit more seriously if these weren't also the same people who say, "What business is it of yours that I get my son circumsized or beat them? It's MY child!" and who also support them being drafted into wars and selling them into slavery via government debt.

[evensgrey]

So, a story about a young woman's fear about her uncontrollable powers and how that fear is making it worse is a metaphor for mental illness?
What?!?

Stefan doesn't seem to get it, does he?  Things are not always metaphorical, and, to quote the writer's saying, "Moby Dick doesn't work as anything unless he works as a whale."

[Skm1091]

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From the video al jones says

+Shane Killian Hand gun control in the UK was introduced to stop the 'once a decade' mass killings. It stopped people from legally owning hand guns. There was a good reason for this. Mass killings were usually carried out by 'good citizens' who legally owned hand guns. The mass murder of children is not regarded by most people as a worthwhile 'price worth paying' to preserve the 'rights' of gun fetishists. Regarding 'rising and falling crime rates  You should look at academic papers rather than the lies put out by gun nuts. It seems very unlikely that countries with very low rates of gun crime will see general crime rates rise or fall because of changes to gun control legislation. Violent crime is on a long term downward trend. The suggestion that this downward trend could be speeded up by allowing more people to own assault rifles is total madness. From this years Guardian "The crime rate in England and Wales has fallen by an unexpected 15% to an estimated 7.5m offences, its lowest level since the official survey began 33 years ago.

My Response.

+al jones   "From this years Guardian "The crime rate in England and Wales has fallen by an unexpected 15% to an estimated 7.5m offences, its lowest level since the official survey began 33 years ago."

You just shot yourself in the foot with this argument. 33 years ago, handguns, "hi cap" (more than 3 Shells) shotguns, and semi automatic rifles i.e. "assault weapons" were still LEGAL.

"The murder rate in England and Wales also showed a slight fall in 2013, down to 551, and is now nearly 50% below the 2001-02 peak of 1,047"

So basically all you are saying is that the current rate is back down to the level when there was even LESS gun control in the UK. And there were even lower rates prior to the 1981 see the homicide table on page 32 from source bellow

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/116483/hosb0212.pdf

There is also the inconvenient fact that the US rate was going down also

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl01.xls

Come back with a better argument please

[MrBogosity]

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From the video al jones says

My Response.

Stupidest excuse ever: "Gun control didn't work in California because people can bring in guns from other states!" But that STILL doesn't expect why the curves in my graphs are DOWNWARD-SLOPING! It should at least be a LITTLE more trouble to do, which should STILL make the curve UPWARD-sloping!

[Skm1091]

Stupidest excuse ever: "Gun control didn't work in California because people can bring in guns from other states!" But that STILL doesn't expect why the curves in my graphs are DOWNWARD-SLOPING! It should at least be a LITTLE more trouble to do, which should STILL make the curve UPWARD-sloping!

And what about the pesky little fact that the areas with less gun control are the places with the lower rates. Compare El Paso to Chicago and you will see what I mean

[Travis Retriever]

Stupidest excuse ever: "Gun control didn't work in California because people can bring in guns from other states!" But that STILL doesn't expect why the curves in my graphs are DOWNWARD-SLOPING! It should at least be a LITTLE more trouble to do, which should STILL make the curve UPWARD-sloping!

And of course there's the whole point of people making their own assault rifles, etc--even in huts in 3rd world countries that you've brought up and has been ignored.
Also, what is WITH statists and anecdotes? I mean, good grief, as atheists they should know better as they'd NEVER accept that horseshit from a theist.  Man, it seems understanding of statistics is at a freakin' premium.  It sounds like statistics and economics are two things that the human brain just isn't built to handle...although public education most certainly is NOT helping.

[Travis Retriever]

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From the video al jones says

My Response.

"Still I'm trained to put a bullet through your head or break your neck when I see you invading my home."--M0rdH0rst in the comments.
What an asshole! WE are the ones using guns for self defense, you projecting asshole.

[tnu]

dude i'm 35 i'm not a kid.. and there's a reason why the 1% who have 80% of the money pay 3% of the taxes. rich people pay less taxes than the middle class does per a person. this is because along with the insane amounts of bank they have they have armies of lawyers finding every little tax law they can manipulate to get the most back. such as donating the charity and getting all of that money back at the end of the year