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[dallen68]

Not that it has to do with your point, but I think that may be on a corporate property of some kind. If it is, what's being taken as lanes may not be lanes at all, but parking spaces.

[R.E.H.W.R.]

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Oh dear God(who doesn't exist!)!
You have to be shitting me.

Hey, Shane I think I need help with comments like this by ScrumdidlEumsous.

"Atheism has no belief. Atheism is a lack of belief in gods."

Its funny how you redefine it from what it has historicaly been considered.

According to the Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy:

"Atheism is the position that affirms the non-existence of God. It proposes positive disbelief rather than mere suspension of belief."

Also dictionary.com:
"1.the doctrine or belief that there is no God."

I know many people say it is a lack of belief, but it has always been looked at as a positive belief, and for good reason. how atheist go about it is not as if they lack beliefs, but carry a full fledged set of beliefs.

[FSBlueApocalypse]

http://xposethereal.com/news/24-hard-facts-about-911-that-cannot-be-debunked.html

In 2014, 9/11 Truth is still going strong

9/11 has been one of the biggest events in recent history that sparked a mass awakening across the world. There has been much debate as to how it happened, who is responsible and why. To this day about 1/3 of americans do not believe the official story. In other areas of the world as much as 90% of the country does not believe the official story.

Here is a list of 24 facts that cannot be debunked about 9/11.

1) Nano Thermite was found in the dust at Ground Zero. Peer reviewed in the Bentham Open Chemical Physics Journal. 'Niels Harrit', 'Thermite Bentham', "The great thermate debate" Jon Cole, 'Iron rich spheres' Steven Jones, 'Limited Metallurgical Examination (FEMA C-13, Appendix C-6)'. 'Nano Tubes'

2) 1700+ Engineers and Architects support a real independent 9/11 investigation. Richard Gage, Founder. 'Explosive Evidence', 'Blueprint for Truth', 'AE911′, 'Toronto Hearings', 'Kevin Ryan'.

3) The total collapse of WTC 7 in 6.5 seconds at free fall acceleration (NIST admits 2.25 seconds). Larry Silverstein used the term "Pull it". Steel framed high rise buildings have NEVER totally collapsed from fire or structural damage. Builidng 7 was not hit by a plane. 'Building 7′, 'WTC 7′.

4) Dick Cheney was in command of NORAD on 9/11 while running war games. 'Stand down order'. "Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary?". Norman Minetta testimony. "Gave order to shootdown Flight 93.", 'NORAD Drills'.

5) 6 out of the 10 Commissioners believe the 9/11 Commission report was "Setup to fail" Co-Chairs Hamilton and Kean, "It was a 30 year conspiracy", "The whitehouse has played cover up", 'Max Cleland resigned', 'John Farmer'.

6) FBI confiscated 84/85 Videos from the Pentagon. 'Moussaoui trial' revealed these videos. Released Pentagon Security Camera (FOIA) does not show a 757 and is clearly Missing a frame. 'Sheraton Hotel', "Double tree', 'Citgo".

7) Osama Bin Laden was NOT wanted by the FBI for the 9/11 attacks. "No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11." CIA created, trained and funded "Al Qaeda/Taliban" during the Mujahideen. OBL was a CIA asset named 'Tim Osman'. OBL Reported dead in Dec 2001 (FOX).

8)100′s of Firefighters and witness testimony to BOMBS/EXPLOSIONS ignored by the 9/11 Commission Report. 9/11 Commission Report bars 503 1st responder eyewitnesses. "Explosions in the lobby and sub levels", 'Firefighter explosions', 'Barry Jennings', 'William Rodriguez'.

9) 100′s of firefighters and witness testimony to MOLTEN METAL ignored by the Commission report. "Like you're in a foundry", "NIST's John Gross denies the existence of Molten Metal", 'Swiss Cheese', "As of 21 days after the attack, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running." Leslie Robertson'.

10) '5 Dancing Israeli's' arrested in 'Mossad Truck Bombs' on 9/11 that stated "We were there to document the event." 'Urban Moving Systems' front company, 'Dominic Suter'. "$498,750 Business loan (June 2001)". "Officer DeCarlo', 'Art Students', 'Israeli Spying'.

11) On September 10th, 2001. Rumsfeld reported $2.3 TRILLION missing from the Pentagon. 'Dov Zakheim' Pentagon Comptroller. Former VP of 'Systems Planning Corporation' (Flight Termination System). Signatore of PNAC document.

12) 220+ Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials question the official story. '9/11 Whistleblowers', 'Patriots for 9/11′. 'Robert Bowman', 'Sibel Edmonds', 'Albert Stubblebine', 'Wesley Clark', 'Mark Dayton', 'Alan Sabrosky', 'Cyntha McKinney', 'Jesse Ventura', 'Kurt Sonnenfeld'. "patriotsquestion911.com"

13) Towers were built to withstand a Boeing jet(s). "I designed it for a 707 to hit it", Leslie Robertson, WTC structural engineer. "Could probably sustain multiple impacts of jetliners", "like a pencil puncturing screen netting" Frank De Martini, deceased Manager of WTC Construction & Project Management. "As far as a plane knocking a building over, that would not happen." Charlie Thornton, Structural Engineer.

14) History of American False Flag attacks. 'USS Liberty', 'Gulf of Tonkin', 'Operation Northwoods', 'OKC Bombing (Murrah Building)', '1993 WTC attacks'. 'Patrick Clawson'. Project for the New American Century (PNAC) needed "a New Pearl Harbor", "Rebuilding America's Defenses". 9/11 Achieved those goals.

15) BBC correspondent Jane Standley reported the collapse of WTC 7 (Soloman Brothers building) 20 minutes before it happened. CNN/FOX/MSNBC also had early reports. 'BBC wtc 7′, 'Jane Standley', Ashleigh Banfield'.

16) "Flight 93″ debris was spread out over many miles. Cheney admits to giving the order to shootdown 93. "shot down the plane over Pennsylvania" Rumsfeld, "nothing that you could distinguish that a plane had crashed there" 'Chris Konicki. "Not a drop of blood" Coroner Wallace Miller. "there was no plane." Mayor Ernie Stull.

17) Bush hesitated for 441 days before starting the 911 Commission. 'Jersey Girls'. 'Phil Zelikow' already wrote the outline before the commission began. Steel shipped over seas. Obstruction of justice. JFK and Pearl Harbor commissions were started within 7 days.

18) The 911 commission was given extremely limited funds. $15 million was given to investigate 9/11. (Over $60 Million was spent investigating Clintons' affairs with Monica).

19) Bush said he watched the first plane crash into the North tower on TV before entering the classroom. "The TV was obviously on." Was informed about the second impact while reading 'My Pet Goat' to the children. Remained for at least 8 more minutes while America was under "attack".

20) The PATRIOT ACT was written before 9/11. Signed into law October 26th, 2001.

21) Marvin Bush was director of Stratasec (Securacom, 'KuAm') which was in charge of security of the WTC, United Airlines and Dulles International Airport. All three were breached on 9/11. ICTS was another company that provided security at the airports. 'Wirt Walker', 'Ezra Harel', 'ICTS", 'WTC power downs'.

22) "Who killed John O'Neil?". Former FBI task force agent investigating Al Qaeda/Bin Laden. Transferred by Kroll Corporation to head the security just before 9/11. John O'Neil died in the Towers. 'Jerome Hauer' 'Jules Kroll'.

23) Insider trading based upon foreknowledge. 'Put Options.' Never identified insiders made millions. 'United and American Airlines' 'Raytheon.'

24) At least 7 of the 19 listed highjackers are still alive (BBC). No video footage of 19 highjackers or passengers boarding the 4 planes. Pilots of the 4 planes never squawked the highjacking code. 'Alive highjackers', 'ACARS', 'Pilots for 9/11 Truth'.

[MrBogosity]

Hey, Shane I think I need help with comments like this by ScrumdidlEumsous.

He's quote-mining the dictionary. Check it out for yourself. Besides, dictionaries report usage, not define words. All that has to happen for ONE of the definitions to be "the belief that there is no God" is for enough fundies to use it that way.

[Travis Retriever]

He's quote-mining the dictionary. Check it out for yourself. Besides, dictionaries report usage, not define words. All that has to happen for ONE of the definitions to be "the belief that there is no God" is for enough fundies to use it that way.

I HATE it when people quote mine the dictionary.  That's so dishonest. >.<  That's like, Kent Hovind level of liar when someone does that.

[Skm1091]

I HATE it when people quote mine the dictionary.  That's so dishonest. >.<  That's like, Kent Hovind level of liar when someone does that.

Quote mining the dictionary is one of the signs of desperation of the creationist, wouldn't you say?

[MrBogosity]

Quote mining the dictionary is one of the signs of desperation of the creationist, wouldn't you say?

I've seen statists do it, too. Funny; whenever I think "ONLY a creationist would ever do this," lo and behold, a statist turns around and does it, too.

[BlameThe1st]

While I disagree with half of what Chris Hedges writes, the other half I agree with whole-heartedly, as is the case with his recent article. The comments, on the other hand, are a different story. This top one makes me cringe:

The U.S. legal system is composed of 90% of the old Roman Laws, why lawyers must know Latin, to protect property. The white slaveholding propertied founding fathers wrote the U.S. Constitution, with it's checks and balances, to protect them against the majority they exploited and allowed no one to vote except white male property owners. Even amongst themselves those who had more property had more freedom/influence. All pigs are equal but some pigs are more equal than others.

The "tightening of the corporate totalitarian noose" is directly related to outsourcing and robotization which weakened and destroyed the labor movement. The height of democracy in the U.S. Republic is directly related to the height of the power of the labor movement between 1945-1970. Even then though the poor and non-whites suffered as they always have and always will under capitalism. The U.S. has always been a place of relative freedom dependent on wealth and race.

We will only keep what freedom we do have by fighting for it and we must always be fighting for more. The "construction of mass movements and alternative centers of power that can mount sustained pressure" is the only way that can be done now as the people have been powerless since the destruction of the labor movement. The government and the courts only answer to the most propertied or the most powerfully organized. But only socialism is based on democracy and only direct democracy in a libertarian socialist system will finally remove all the chains.

Oh boy, where do I begin?

1) The cliche "but the Founders where rich, white slave-owners" arguement, which really is a non-arguement.

2) Neither outsourcing or "robotization" have destroyed jobs. Shane already debunked the "outsourcing" arguement once in a video of his, and "robotization" is the cliche "new technology destroys jobs" arguement, which is nothing short of Ludditism. I guess the automobile destroyed the jobs of horseshoe makers?

3) The correlation-causation fallacy between unions and prosperity. I wish I had evidence to debunk this bogosity, but the fact it is clearly correlation-causation should shoot it down as bunk.

4) "Only socialism is based on democracy and only direct democracy in a libertarian socialist system will finally remove all the chains"? Venezuela and Cuba would like to have a word with you on that. Why "socialism" hasn't died following the fall of the Soviet Union is beyond me.

5) Can someone please educate these morons that capitalism has been the main cause of increased living standards for the past 200 years? Please?

[MrBogosity]

the height of the power of the labor movement between 1945-1970.

I don't understand how he gets this, since they saw their greatest gains in the late 19th century and became corporatized in the early 20th Century, especially the Great Depression.

Funny that 1945-1970 is PRECISELY the term of the Bretton-Woods system...

Why "socialism" hasn't died following the fall of the Soviet Union is beyond me.

Because that wasn't REAL socialism! (Even though all the socialists were saying it was, and it proves that socialism works and makes people prosper, right up to the point where it collapsed...)

[Ibrahim90]

http://xposethereal.com/news/24-hard-facts-about-911-that-cannot-be-debunked.html

In 2014, 9/11 Truth is still going strong

OK...these people don't know what they're doing, do they?

[spoiler]
1) outright lie. See Myles Power's series on the matter (if his channel is still around when one reads this): and with the amount of thermite needed, and thousands going into the towers daily, how was it not caught? this would have been all over the news!

2)  irrelevant: numbers alone confer no advantage. (EDIT: sounds way too much like Sun Zi)

3) Myles Power killed that recently. go watch.

4) That only proves Cheney was inept, not that there was a conspiracy.

5) again, irrelevant, and only demonstrates that these people want to cover their ass: the question is "why?" it need not be because there was a conspiracy within Government. The commission still accurately reported what happened on that day, and who did it. what they did hide was the motive behind the attack--and even then, they did so ineptly (though well enough that most people still don't know, or understand).

6) I do not see how the model of planes that rammed the towers must be the same that rammed the Pentagon.

7) while he was wanted before 9/11, it does not follow that 9/11 was done to finger him

"explosions" need not be from explosives: high pressure imposed by the collapsing tower will achieve a similar effect: same with flash overs from burning supplies or expanding gases.

9) what type of metal? steel or Aluminum? both were used in building the twin towers. certain Molten plastics will look like molten metal too. as to 21 days? I need a source, though the towers were big buildings, so it is conceivable that they burn without "help"

10) well Isrealis are often (though not universally) sick people: they have to be to do deir yassin. doesn't prove that they did it, or wanted it.

11) All it proves is that the Pentagon is inept at counting money, or of corruption. 2.3 trillion is unnecessary for staging an attack.

12) irrelevant: And once more numbers alone confer no advantage.

13) but the impacts in the event were by a 757. also, they're leaving out that the impacts envisioned were of planes low on fuel, at low cruising speeds, looking for a runway. the planes on 9/11 had full fuel, were at full cruising speed (or more), and were again, 757's. those are bigger than 707's.

14) irrelevant. it does not follow that this one is.

15) need a source. besides, times could be misreported, or you simply suck at calculating time zone differences.

16) well, yeah: big plane, lots of fuel, at near the speed of sound: do the math--literally: kE=0.5mv^2: no wonder there was little left: there was little left of the meteorite that smashed into Chixulub 65.5 million years ago: does it follow that planes shot it down? and just because there was an order, does not mean the plane was shot down. it just means the order was given: the fighters could have been too late you know...

17) again, not relevant to whether there was a conspiracy. It can be argued it was simply due to ineptitude, or to the need to first sort out the wreckage. and I need a source on that anyways, because I was under the impression that the investigation began almost immediately (the commission taking over).

18) tells you how chickenshit the government is....besides, people already figured out who did 9/11: the commission was to flesh it out, and explain how and why it happened.

19) thanks for reminding us that Bush is an idiot.

20) that was because it was proposed repeatedly and shot down in Clinton's second term. again, it doesn't follow that 9/11 was done to allow it to pass. wait on a second, I thought it was to give the government an excuse to finger Bin Laden!

21)  again, it doesn't follow that a failure of power means conspiracy.

22) again, doesn't really prove anything. He may have simply been in the wrong place, at the wrong time.

23) the fact that they are unidentified is alone enough to cast aspersions on the claim: who were they? how did they know? what is the evidence that this even happened?

24) need a source for that: if true, doesn't mean they weren't responsible. Also, who said there were surveillance cameras in the air ports, or that they were always on? And it could be they were in disguise. [/spoiler]

[evensgrey]

"explosions" need not be from explosives: high pressure imposed by the collapsing tower will achieve a similar effect: same with flash overs from burning supplies or expanding gases.

I'll give you another dandy source of explosions in a collapsing skyscraper: Electrical equipment.

A modern office tower uses so much electricity that it needs a transformer substation at least every few floors to distribute power (running 220 VAC from ground level takes too much wire to be cost effective compared to high-voltage and substations through the building). I've seen a shot tracking down just below the debris cloud of one of the towers while it came down, and it appeared there were regular flashes every second or third floor, just like you'd get from large transformers blowing out as their vaults collapsed.

There's also reports of possible molten metal pouring out of one of the towers shortly before it collapsed, apparently from an area marked "UPS" on the floor plans. An Uninterruptible Power Supply for a large server installation (like you'd get for, say, a large trading house or pretty much anyone else who needs to run high-power analytics on gobs of data really quickly) stores a frightening amount of energy. More than enough to slag the UPS if it fails catastrophically, like in, say, a MASSIVE FIRE.

[Dallas Wildman]

More Lunar Lunacy:
http://www.aulis.com/stereoparallax.htm

Is there a segment on parallax?

[MrBogosity]

More Lunar Lunacy:
http://www.aulis.com/stereoparallax.htm

Is there a segment on parallax?

Note he doesn't do any actual math. Every bit of photogrammetry done on the lunar pictures confirms they're from the moon.

[Ibrahim90]

I'll give you another dandy source of explosions in a collapsing skyscraper: Electrical equipment.

A modern office tower uses so much electricity that it needs a transformer substation at least every few floors to distribute power (running 220 VAC from ground level takes too much wire to be cost effective compared to high-voltage and substations through the building). I've seen a shot tracking down just below the debris cloud of one of the towers while it came down, and it appeared there were regular flashes every second or third floor, just like you'd get from large transformers blowing out as their vaults collapsed.

There's also reports of possible molten metal pouring out of one of the towers shortly before it collapsed, apparently from an area marked "UPS" on the floor plans. An Uninterruptible Power Supply for a large server installation (like you'd get for, say, a large trading house or pretty much anyone else who needs to run high-power analytics on gobs of data really quickly) stores a frightening amount of energy. More than enough to slag the UPS if it fails catastrophically, like in, say, a MASSIVE FIRE.

the true power of Zeus!

OK, jokes aside: yeah, that's another possible source of explosions: it may have been several things happening, leading to multiple explosions.

[Ibrahim90]

The man speaking is easily the dumbest Egyptian I every saw, heard of, or met. ever...

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the title of the video is in Egyptian Arabic, and means "a stupid man", and Oh God is that an understatement.

the guy is defending Hosni Mubarak, saying that the guy's "100%", and saying he was the one who lead the Egyptians in the 1973 war destroying all the Jews, and that executing Mubarak would be like executing every Egyptian's father (one of the guys talking to him tells him "dude, he isn't your "father""). he adds further that Mubarak didn't ruin the country but improved it and reformed it, and cites that there was a cartoon during his time that taught kids to be strong*, and that he was responsible for Captain Majid* (a football cartoon), and that it was made in Africa. He then goes off the deep end (which is saying something): he's talking really fast at this point, so I can't catch it all, but it seems he's mentioning something about planes flying and people becoming trouble makers and idlers, among other things


at the end, he reveals he's an engraver (I think: his accent is a bit weird, and he has a heavy lisp), and refuses to give his name. He's also from Cairo apparently...

*an anime cartoon; I think he's referring specifically to Voltron.
*it's what we call Captain Tsubasa--which as you can tell, is Japanese.