Fail Quotes

[MrBogosity]

I wanted to put this in Fav Quotes for having realized something without having someone else to explain it to me, but after some review I decided what brought me to this realization belongs here.

From GameFAQs Board 8 topic, "Do you think this is fair?. Poll/Discussion is over the perceived fairness of someone's recent medical bill.

ChaosTonyV4
The free market doesn't WORK when your life is on the line. If someone says "You either pay us more than you can possibly pay us, or you DIE", people will choose the lifetime of debt every time. Obviously this isn't fair.

Altimadark
If someone forces you to sign a contract at gunpoint, you can later get a court or other mediating party to declare the contract null and void as it was signed under duress. It's not one's life being on the line which makes the free market not work, it's initiation of coercive force.

foolm0r0n (reply to ChaosTonyV4)
All products work this way. For example, someone can offer you a hamburger for $10 million when you're hungry. What would you do?

ChaosTonyV4
Eat something else?

It's pretty inarguable that the free market actually HURTS healthcare consumers when you compare American healthcare costs with the rest of the free world.

Altimadark (nanosecond of Win)
If the free market really hurts consumers, why don't we see this level of extortion in other industries where there are fewer government regulations, such as computers? It's inarguable that the computer/electronics industry is closer to a free market than the health care industry. So why do computers get less expensive as they advance, while health care gets more expensive as it advances?

There was an excellent edition of EconTalk with Mike Munger discussing this very issue (NOT fail): http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2011/06/munger_on_excha.html

[Travis Retriever]

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page
I could post a specific article, but let's be honest.  That whole site is an epic fail.  Even their non political articles seems to just be one smug snarky self-congratulatory echo-chamber.  It's like if Thunderf00t and the founder of Encyclopedia Dramatica (who happens to be female) had a baby, and got him on the internet.

As Shane said on the place (NOT a fail):

You know what pisses me off? I and a lot of other skeptics did a lot of work into the Skeptic Wiki, and now skepticwiki.org redirects to Rational Wiki! And no one has given me an answer as to what the fuck happened! Where's all our pages with all our hard work gone? For example, the moon hoax page we had was comprehensive, well-sourced, and convincing to people; Rational Wiki's is idiotic and nothing but a cheering section that won't convince anyone who's not already a skeptic.

I fucking HATE that place...

Which only is made worse because I never even SAW (much less read or saved any pages) from that old Skeptic Wiki. T_T
And I just checked: http://skepticwiki.org/ now directs to a site regarding insurance.  Just...why?

[MrBogosity]

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page
I could post a specific article, but let's be honest.  That whole site is an epic fail.  Even their non political articles seems to just be one smug snarky self-congratulatory echo-chamber.  It's like if Thunderf00t and the founder of Encyclopedia Dramatica (who happens to be female) had a baby, and got him on the internet.

As Shane said on the place (NOT a fail):

Which only is made worse because I never even SAW (much less read or saved any pages) from that old Skeptic Wiki. T_T
And I just checked: http://skepticwiki.org/ now directs to a site regarding insurance.  Just...why?

I grabbed HTML copies of the pages from the Internet Archive. I'd love to get ahold of the MediaWiki files and resurrect it, though.

[Ibrahim90]

I grabbed HTML copies of the pages from the Internet Archive. I'd love to get ahold of the MediaWiki files and resurrect it, though.

reading the stuff using the wayback machine. needless to say, I'm impressed. Daeniken raped, Menzies looks like the cunt he is, and Hancock has been descredited all together...

could use a more thought destruction, but it is still superior to rationalwiki.

still looking for the Moon-hoax article though. found it. well organized, and well thought out.

[AnCap Dave]

As a white guy who enjoys music like blues and funk, I constantly see stupid comments from ignorant fucks claiming that white people shouldn't play blues or funk music at all. Fuck those people, and fuck George Carlin for spreading that kind of stupid ignorant bullshit himself.

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[R.E.H.W.R.]

[tnu]

"I'm sort of an anarcho-syndicalist, so in essence my ideal society would be socialist but function through direct grassroots democracy. In other words the money people pay in tax is voluntarily paid on a massive scale. Anarcho-capitalism is still capitalism and still doesn't give a fuck about the poor and starving and will still produce a bourgeois class that will use their influence to control society. I think anarcho-capitalism is absurdly idealistic and utopianist, perhaps even more so than functioning communism and definitely more so than anarcho-syndicalism though these are all pretty utopianist ideas. The anarcho-capitalist system is inherently built to destroy itself and will result in a society ruled by the rich. The objective behind a good society is to distribute the power as equally as possible. It has nothing to do with you guys and your obsession with individual freedoms and complete disregard for how complicated the world is. You can't simplify things down to this:

1) you have [blank] product or service

2) you want [blank] for it

3) I give you [blank], you give me [blank]

4) we both go home"

What say you?

[ArtemisVale]

Yes it is that simple

[Travis Retriever]

Please tell me that's a parody...

[ArtemisVale]

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[R.E.H.W.R.]

Please tell me that's a parody...

You know its not.

[FSBlueApocalypse]

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[Travis Retriever]

You know its not.

T_T I know.

[Travis Retriever]

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Fuck you Bill Nye.  I respected you as a kid.  What the fuck happened to you?

[Travis Retriever]

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>>Externalities
Are only a thing because of government not recognizing property rights of those whose land has been polluted or violated.

>>Free market is inefficient
Because the USSR and Communist China were both *so* productive that they eliminated starvation, oh wait...
And yes, I'm aware that he considers those "state capitalism"--an oxymoron if ever there was one.  And yes, I still stand by the above line because what he considers a good system (What the Spanish "Anarchists" who took over parts Spain during the 1930s set up) was different from what Stalin and Mao had in name and size/scope only.