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"The more laws and order are made prominent, the more thieves and robbers there will be."
Lao Tzu



You'll have to excuse me if I'm just a little bit suspicious of the second paragraph on that implying that the US military *leaving* the region caused *more* murder and violence.  I don't buy that.  Unless we're just drone bombing them instead.
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537

Quote from: T dog on January 01, 2014, 11:08:16 AM


You'll have to excuse me if I'm just a little bit suspicious of the second paragraph on that implying that the US military *leaving* the region caused *more* murder and violence.  I don't buy that.  Unless we're just drone bombing them instead.

And how many before the US invaded Iraq in 2003?

January 01, 2014, 11:38:20 AM #4923 Last Edit: January 01, 2014, 02:05:11 PM by T dog
Quote from: MrBogosity on January 01, 2014, 11:23:16 AM
And how many before the US invaded Iraq in 2003?
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/
If this is any indicator it looks like the OP was cherry picking--if not outright lying.  Shame they don't show it in the years before the US federal government invaded Iraq.
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537

January 01, 2014, 12:45:52 PM #4924 Last Edit: January 01, 2014, 12:48:52 PM by T dog
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I'm surprised I didn't post this sooner.  To summarize the actual content of the video:

>>economic reasons why monopolies including IP are bad
>>But we should still have IP always because I believe it will be an exception/still work/needed to create creative works.

I really wish I was making that up.  And this is on a channel that's (supposed) to be dedicated to economic freedom too.  Yet they also have a video on spending on "lessons from Ronald Reagen.":

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"Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton both reduced the relative burden of government, largely because they were able to restrain the growth of domestic spending." Are you fucking kidding me?  They do know he shot spending through the roof right?  And yeah, domestic spending...because military spending NEVER impacts the economy and the rest of us?  And inb4 democratic Congress:  Right, because the president totally doesn't have any discretionary spending, the ability to refuse the enforcement of the laws (and thus the money used for them in that way), executive order, etc, riiight? Gimme a fucking break.
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537

Quote from: T dog on January 01, 2014, 11:08:16 AM


You'll have to excuse me if I'm just a little bit suspicious of the second paragraph on that implying that the US military *leaving* the region caused *more* murder and violence.  I don't buy that.  Unless we're just drone bombing them instead.
Someone needs to tell the guy who made the picture that correlation does not equal causation.

Quote from: T dog on January 01, 2014, 11:38:20 AM
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/
If this is any indicator it looks like the OP was cherry picking.  Shame they don't show it in the years before the US federal government invaded Iraq.

Probably because it was relatively close to zero. Regardless of how terrible Saddam might have been otherwise (and contrary to the propaganda against him), he did a VERY good job keeping terrorists out of Iraq.

"The more laws and order are made prominent, the more thieves and robbers there will be."
Lao Tzu

Quote from: R.E.H.W.R. on January 01, 2014, 01:47:29 PM

Are they seriously comparing the government to Jesus? Lel.

Quote from: BreadGod on January 01, 2014, 02:55:07 PM
Are they seriously comparing the government to Jesus? Lel.

No, they're comparing Obama to Jesus!  ;D

Quote from: dallen68 on January 01, 2014, 03:08:27 PM
No, they're comparing Obama to Jesus!  ;D
No surprise there. All the love for Obama is one part blind hero worship and another part mass delusion.

January 01, 2014, 05:09:53 PM #4931 Last Edit: January 01, 2014, 05:58:14 PM by T dog
http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/fat-officially-incurable-according-to-science/
Many comments did a good job addressing this bit.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-harsh-truths-that-will-make-you-better-person/
Yet he also is anti free market where those things are either grossly over-exaggerated, or something you learn early on and aren't hard to fulfill?  Yeah, as usual, Wong over sells it to the point where he either comes off as a fanatic and/or clueless twat.  Even worse considering that article he made years back on "things rich people need to stop saying."  Just...dude.
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537

I wanted to put this in Fav Quotes for having realized something without having someone else to explain it to me, but after some review I decided what brought me to this realization belongs here.

From GameFAQs Board 8 topic, "Do you think this is fair?. Poll/Discussion is over the perceived fairness of someone's recent medical bill.

ChaosTonyV4
The free market doesn't WORK when your life is on the line. If someone says "You either pay us more than you can possibly pay us, or you DIE", people will choose the lifetime of debt every time. Obviously this isn't fair.


Altimadark
If someone forces you to sign a contract at gunpoint, you can later get a court or other mediating party to declare the contract null and void as it was signed under duress. It's not one's life being on the line which makes the free market not work, it's initiation of coercive force.


foolm0r0n (reply to ChaosTonyV4)
All products work this way. For example, someone can offer you a hamburger for $10 million when you're hungry. What would you do?


ChaosTonyV4
Eat something else?

It's pretty inarguable that the free market actually HURTS healthcare consumers when you compare American healthcare costs with the rest of the free world.


Altimadark (nanosecond of Win)
If the free market really hurts consumers, why don't we see this level of extortion in other industries where there are fewer government regulations, such as computers? It's inarguable that the computer/electronics industry is closer to a free market than the health care industry. So why do computers get less expensive as they advance, while health care gets more expensive as it advances?
Failing to clean up my own mistakes since the early 80s.

Quote from: Altimadark on January 01, 2014, 11:01:44 PM
I wanted to put this in Fav Quotes for having realized something without having someone else to explain it to me, but after some review I decided what brought me to this realization belongs here.

From GameFAQs Board 8 topic, "Do you think this is fair?. Poll/Discussion is over the perceived fairness of someone's recent medical bill.

ChaosTonyV4
The free market doesn't WORK when your life is on the line. If someone says "You either pay us more than you can possibly pay us, or you DIE", people will choose the lifetime of debt every time. Obviously this isn't fair.


Altimadark
If someone forces you to sign a contract at gunpoint, you can later get a court or other mediating party to declare the contract null and void as it was signed under duress. It's not one's life being on the line which makes the free market not work, it's initiation of coercive force.


foolm0r0n (reply to ChaosTonyV4)
All products work this way. For example, someone can offer you a hamburger for $10 million when you're hungry. What would you do?


ChaosTonyV4
Eat something else?

It's pretty inarguable that the free market actually HURTS healthcare consumers when you compare American healthcare costs with the rest of the free world.


Altimadark (nanosecond of Win)
If the free market really hurts consumers, why don't we see this level of extortion in other industries where there are fewer government regulations, such as computers? It's inarguable that the computer/electronics industry is closer to a free market than the health care industry. So why do computers get less expensive as they advance, while health care gets more expensive as it advances?


Blah! If you're really at gunpoint when you make the statement you say what the terrorist wants you to say {to save your life}, you rescind the statement when you're  done

Quote from: Norman 0. Brown, one of the gurus of the new "counter-culture"The great economist von Mises tried to refute socialism by demonstrating that, in abolishing exchange, socialism made economic calculation, and hence economic rationality, impossible ... But if von Mises is right, then what he discovered is not a refutation but a psychoanalytical justification of socialism ... It is one of the sad ironies of contemporary intellectual life that the reply of socialist economists to von Mises' arguments was to attempt to show that socialism was not incompatible with "rational economic calculation" — that is to say, that it could retain the inhuman principle of economizing.
(Life Against Death, Random House, paperback, 1959, pp. 238-39.)
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537