Fail Quotes

[Travis Retriever]

I bring it up for the reason you just said, which should have been obvious when I said it. And actually, I was talking about when people use the "you're not surhotchaperchlorome, so you have nothing to say about things that might effect surhotcherchlorome" argument. (You know, as if no one else is not hired somewhere, or not made to feel "comfortable" in the restaurant, or ignored at the party, etc.)Essentially, it closes any possibility of conversation, and thus any possibility of reaching mutual agreement.

And just as an aside: If a business owner doesn't want to serve you, they don't have to. As far as discriminating against LGBT, unlike discriminating for some other reason, you can't look at someone and tell this - so don't bring it up, and then you won't be discriminated against for being LGBT.

I was talking about the OP on facebook, not you in that post.

[dallen68]

oh. sorry.

[Travis Retriever]

oh. sorry.

S'okay.  It happens.

[Travis Retriever]

http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/5-shocking-statistics-that-prove-working-in-america-sucks/
Notice how all are either caused by or at least made worse by government.  A fail for singling out America--acting like this is somehow unique to this country, and not the rest of the world...
And for this gem on number 2: "Now, we all take comfort in the knowledge that rich people are now richer than they ever were (phew!), but that has the unfortunate side effect of making everyone else poorer."  Yeah, zero sum fallacy or at least ignoring absolute terms.

Let's say I have one dollar and Jim has one dollar.  Jim then gets another.  He's richer, but I am NOT poorer in any meaningful--non-absolute--sense.  I don't know why the socialists other statists have to treat this as some kind of horse race.

[dallen68]

I would argue that actually even the poorest among us (in America) are better off than we've ever been before. Because of the scales involved in agriculture, food is cheap and plentiful. Because there's like two choices (well, three if you count Linux) for OS's almost everyone has access to information technology.  There's probably a whole list of things that somebody acquired a great deal of wealth from, which actually made something that was otherwise unaccessible to the average person, readily available. For your example, just because Jim now has two dollars, doesn't mean you're worse off. If Jim got his dollar by innovating a way of giving you a buck worth of product for 90 cents, you are actually better off.

[Travis Retriever]

I would argue that actually even the poorest among us (in America) are better off than we've ever been before. Because of the scales involved in agriculture, food is cheap and plentiful. Because there's like two choices (well, three if you count Linux) for OS's almost everyone has access to information technology.  There's probably a whole list of things that somebody acquired a great deal of wealth from, which actually made something that was otherwise inaccessible to the average person, readily available. For your example, just because Jim now has two dollars, doesn't mean you're worse off. If Jim got his dollar by innovating a way of giving you a buck worth of product for 90 cents, you are actually better off.

Exactly.  And as Shane has repeatedly  pointed, the most poor in America today are far better off than even the richest of 100 years.  And yeah, investing the extra money like that is how wealth is created when govco isn't stealing it.

[nilecroc]

This is Photoshopped. There is no 31 of June.

[Travis Retriever]

This is Photoshopped. There is no 31 of June.

So I just went onto his Twitter account.  I can't find a post like that at all.  Unless the screen-cap was done poorly *and* Neil deleted the post right after the shot was taken, I think it's safe to say that we've been had.

EDIT: Also, good eye nilecroc, you just earned your first cluon/anti-bogon for that.

[Travis Retriever]

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/vomit

[nilecroc]

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/vomit

I can think of several things we all belong to, and none of them are government.
1. The Human race.
2.The Universe
3.The Earth
4. The Solar System

[Travis Retriever]

From the comments of this: http://blamethe1st.deviantart.com/journal/Your-Taxpayer-Money-At-Work-398111593

ryu238: "I didn't know you were for public services... and your right about this too."

BlameThe1st: "Not really. I don't believe they're very effective, however,they're  extremely ineffective when they're cut. Unless there is a viable alternative to them, getting rid of them is not going to solve anything."

ryu238: "True..."

[dallen68]

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/vomit

The narrator's argument (?) isn't even about being part of government (even with the assertion that it is), what he's actually talking about is being part of community, which is a whole different thing than the claim. Also, maybe if he had actually gotten around to making a point about being part of community? As it is, he didn't even make enough of a statement for the bogon he was trying for to fully form.

[Travis Retriever]

The narrator's argument (?) isn't even about being part of government (even with the assertion that it is), what he's actually talking about is being part of community, which is a whole different thing than the claim. Also, maybe if he had actually gotten around to making a point about being part of community? As it is, he didn't even make enough of a statement for the bogon he was trying for to fully form.

Figures they'd use that tired old "we are the state" horseshit.

[Ibrahim90]

EDIT: Also, good eye nilecroc, you just earned your first cluon/anti-bogon for that.

make that the second one.

[AnCap Dave]

Why Christians make good libertarians

Yeah....no.

Romans 13 anyone?

13: 1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God's servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

The bible's pretty clear in its statism.