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Started by MrBogosity, September 24, 2009, 04:12:10 PM

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Gumba Masta

Does'nt she at least guide the ants to what they do with the use of pheromones?

MrBogosity

Only to help find their way back home.

Gumba Masta

I thought that's what the ruby slippers where for.

Travis Retriever

Quote from: Gumba Masta on January 11, 2010, 07:10:32 PM
I thought that's what the ruby slippers where for.
Back on topic Gumba.
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537

MrBogosity

Gumba couldn't stay on topic if you super-glued him there.

Lord T Hawkeye

Anywho, anyone got a name for nitpicking analogies while dodging the actual point of them?
I recently heard that the word heretic is derived from the greek work heriticos which means "able to choose"
The more you know...

Travis Retriever

Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on January 11, 2010, 09:11:47 PM
Anywho, anyone got a name for nitpicking analogies while dodging the actual point of them?
Hmmm..
It sounds like a red herring to me.
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537

Gumba Masta

See, I..uh...help out in my own way...yeah that's the ticket. <_<;;

valvatica

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Quote from: Lord T Hawkeye on January 11, 2010, 09:11:47 PM
Anywho, anyone got a name for nitpicking analogies while dodging the actual point of them?

My mom does this a lot; I wish I knew the name for it.

Me: "For example, when Little Caesar's hires people to hold signs out in the intersections, it's on par with telling--"

My mom: "YUCK I HATE Little Caesar's"

MISSED THE POINT.

Also, it's probably obvious but nitpicking an analogy to discuss something irrelevant shouldn't be confused with pointing out why an analogy doesn't work to illustrate a specific point.
"Did you know that the hole's only natural enemy is the pile?"
"Dead Poets Society has destroyed a generation of educators."
  --The Simpsons, "Special Edna"

Travis Retriever

How about this one:

Two people are saying the same thing:  e.g. that the other is wrong, or that one's and not the other's idea/policy/etc is better etc.
The fallacy is blowing both off and not actually examining the facts or arguments based on their own merits.

Does this already have a name?

If not, how does "appeal to same argument" sound?
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537

MrBogosity

I don't get what you're talking about. How about a real-world example?

Travis Retriever

OK, I'll admit my thought process when wording it wasn't as clear as I would have liked.

Take the example between me, Gumba and the modern liberals he mentions, and the conservatives.

I say, the most evidence is for free markets.
The liberals say that the most evidence is for regulation and their "progressive" policies.
The conservatives say that by having a paternalistic state is the way, and that the evidence is for interventionism.

Gumba, upon seeing all of us saying this, blows all of us off without an examination of the facts, and concludes we're all full of shit.
Basically, it's a golden mean fallacy, only instead of two positions, it can be many, and instead of the middle ground between them, you just blow them all off as wrong.

It's kinda like the flawed thinking by numbers in this video by QualiaSoup:
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"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537

Gumba Masta

You did think it possible that I was trying to pull your leg, yes?

Travis Retriever

If you were, then I apologize.
I've heard people making that same argument and mean it.
I guess Poe's Law really does apply to political woes too.
"When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world—'No. You move.'"
-Captain America, Amazing Spider-Man 537

Gumba Masta

I know, next time I'll post some links to Dinner Dash porn to make it more obvious. ;)