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I didn't think TJ was capable of such an insight :T

I didn't think George Carlin was capable of such insight, either.  (He usually came off as just another Democrat shill.  A FUNNY one, but a shill just the same.  Sort of what Coughlan would be like if he was a standup comedian.)

[Dukect45]

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Love Penn's bit at the end

[Travis Retriever]

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Love Penn's bit at the end

mhm.  And yeah, Greenpeace blows.

[Travis Retriever]

And, speaking of Greenpeace:  http://www.cracked.com/article/158_5-irrational-fears-even-rational-people-have/
The last three on that list are epic win.

[ArtemisVale]

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[Travis Retriever]

I decided Bush wasn't as big a dick as Obama when I saw a video of Obama making jokes about his drone strike program.

Can you imagine if Bush did something like that?  Liberals/Democrats should be shitting themselves with righteous fury!  But since Obama did...nothing, not a peep from these guys...

[Travis Retriever]

https://mises.org/daily/5076 ("Ten Reasons Not to Abolish Slavery" by Robbert Higgs)
So much win.
(Read the FULL article before saying something you'll regret. )

And while I'm at it:
Ludwig von Mises: "Continued adherence to a policy of compulsory education is utterly incompatible with efforts to establish lasting peace." - Liberalism

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https://mises.org/daily/5076 ("Ten Reasons Not to Abolish Slavery" by Robbert Higgs)
So much win.
(Read the FULL article before saying something you'll regret. )

And while I'm at it:
Ludwig von Mises: "Continued adherence to a policy of compulsory education is utterly incompatible with efforts to establish lasting peace." - Liberalism

It becomes obvious immediately what he's doing it you're paying attention.  Nobody quotes Lincoln's racist statements without arguing against one of the worst 19th century US Presidents.

[AnCap Dave]

Heroes and Villains

It's nothing philosophical or political. Just a good read with a funny ending.

[AnCap Dave]

On the flip side of that shitty movie trailer I posted in Fail Quotes, here's Larken Rose giving his thoughts on that movie.

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[ArtemisVale]

if you think critically one can realize that its actually the state that allows and supports the purge rather than it being a case of statlessness.

[Travis Retriever]

So I Googled "Ancapbronies" and clicked on a facebook link and found this:

[Skm1091]

On the flip side of that shitty movie trailer I posted in Fail Quotes, here's Larken Rose giving his thoughts on that movie.

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I really need to ask them if the only reason that they don't go raping and killing is because they fear punishment from government.

This reminds me of creationist saying that they only do good because god might punish them.

I believe this would make them Psychopaths/Sociopaths?

[Travis Retriever]

I really need to ask them if the only reason that they don't go raping and killing is because they fear punishment from government.

This reminds me of creationist saying that they only do good because god might punish them.

I believe this would make them Psychopaths/Sociopaths?

Absolutely.  Same logic, really.

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I guess those are from more liberal/moderate/reformist sects of Islam, basically non salafi/wahhabi. Those two are some of the most, if not the most strict versions of Sunni Islam. Anyone know if there is a Shia equivalent of salafi/wahhabis?

just noticed this--figured I'd share the lulz:

the ghulat? yeah, they're pretty famous (or infamous). their extremism is mostly theological though (save the last one: their more like what you'd expect). the really crazy (physically) sects have either been of the khawarij or the Sunnis. Shi'ism must be counted as the most lenient sect among those still around--even counting the stuff in Iran today.

The ghulat themselves are largely extinct AFAIK. some pretty interesting beliefs though:

1-bazighiyya: believe that Ja'far as-sadiq was God.
2-dhammiyya (lit. blamerism or haterism): Ali b. abi talib was God, Muhammad was the messenger.
3-ghurabiyya (lit. ravenism): most common one: believed Gabriel fucked up, by sending revelations to Muhammad instead of Ali. They attribute this to some perceived identical traits between the two, such that they were to the ghurabis as two ravens (hence the name).
4-ya'furiyya: some dude from Kufa was God, and that he ordained everything was to be cyclical (like Hinduism, complete with reincarnation).
5-Kaysaniyya: think of a version of Islam that is trinitarian. with the father being God, the son being Muhammad ibn al-hanafiyyah, and the other son was Ali b. abi talib. a sub-section of them called "khorasaniyya", add a fourth person.
6-Hurufiyya (lit. "Letterism"): Shi'ite Panentheism, believing God's essence was in every atom. Nuqtawiyya (lit. "pointism") shi'ites are a sub-set who give a cyclical timeline to the universe (w/o reincarnation).
7-Soldiers of heaven: bat-shit people who wanted to kill everyone and everything not them, in order to bring back the 12th imam and usher in the apocalypse (kinda like some strains of fundamentalist Christianity). believed some dude named Dia' abd uz-zahra' was the Imam. they were active in Iraq during the insurgency.


compare that to these specimens: first, the Khawarij:

1-the azariqah (lit. "blue ones"): these were active in the Umayyad period. believed sinning, no matter how trivial, automatically made you a non-believer, and eligible for the death penalty. yeah, I wish I was making this shit up.


and the Sunnies:

1-wahhabiyya: you guys know this one.
2-Qutbiyya: this is what people often call "salafi", but is in fact a subset of the salafiyya (which I don't consider inherently extreme as a whole, due to the diversity of forms).
3-certain Islamic fundamentalists: these do not fall into a special sect or sub-section, as they come from otherwise more lenient jurisprudence (e.g. Hamas are IIRC traditionally Shafi'i, whilst those from Aceh are Maliki).


of course, when discussing these, one must remember that Islam in modern times (post 1920) is a more conservative religion as a whole than Christianity or Judaism, or even what it was in the past. this is due to a variety of factors, which would make this post too long.


As to Pat Condell? I mostly have issues with his line of reasoning on what's going on in Europe and America (some of which would be contradicted by that machete wielding tosser), as well as his absurd and one sided view on the Palestinian/Israeli problem (a problem I have with anyone who is entirely one sided for either Palestinians or Israelis). I cannot judge the truth of his statement about fan mail and who he refers to, though with some of the crap he's said....