Podcast for 24 August 2015

[evensgrey]

They'd also have to know they were in the database.

Well, they do HAVE the database, and could check suicide victims against it.

There's also the likely possibility that any suicide notes may have mentioned the leak as the cause, which is rather likely since, as I mentioned, the number of suicides expected from the number of affected people is larger than the number reported.

[MrBogosity]

Well, they do HAVE the database, and could check suicide victims against it.

Trust me, I've been in the database: it ain't that simple. Just finding my own information was ridiculous, and I knew what to look for!

[evensgrey]

Trust me, I've been in the database: it ain't that simple. Just finding my own information was ridiculous, and I knew what to look for!

I would expect that police specializing in investigating this sort fo crime are going to employ specialists who are probably better at sorting out the database than you are.

And yres, I've looked at datab ase internals with the proper tools, and know how messy they are before you do a poorly organized dump.

[MrBogosity]

I would expect that police specializing in investigating this sort fo crime are going to employ specialists who are probably better at sorting out the database than you are.

But what incentive would they have to do that for every single suicide?

[evensgrey]

But what incentive would they have to do that for every single suicide?

Leaving aside the lack of reason to do it for every suicide instead of just to confirm that someone who put it in their note really was affected by the leak, if you've extracted the names running subsequent suicides against them is rather trivial.

The reason for confirming suicide victims who did it because they thought they were affected really were affected is obvious:  It shows that people have been killed by the leak, which will get some people who can help with the investigation to do so when they otherwise wouldn't.

[MrBogosity]

The reason for confirming suicide victims who did it because they thought they were affected really were affected is obvious:  It shows that people have been killed by the leak, which will get some people who can help with the investigation to do so when they otherwise wouldn't.

No, it doesn't, not without some positive link. Just being in the database isn't enough.

[evensgrey]

No, it doesn't, not without some positive link. Just being in the database isn't enough.

You mean like the one I mentioned in the other paragraph?

Incidentally, doesn't the company have a legal obligation to formally inform the affected customers of the breach, given the types of data that are involved for at least some of them?  That alone would require compiling a list of the people in the leaked database.

[MrBogosity]

Incidentally, doesn't the company have a legal obligation to formally inform the affected customers of the breach, given the types of data that are involved for at least some of them?  That alone would require compiling a list of the people in the leaked database.

No, they don't. They should, but they don't.

[evensgrey]

No, they don't. They should, but they don't.

Interesting, since Canada does impose that requirement.  No Canadian exposure, I suppose?  (For the company, not those affected.)

[MrBogosity]

Interesting, since Canada does impose that requirement.  No Canadian exposure, I suppose?  (For the company, not those affected.)

Hopefully it's changing for the better. They're passing laws so that the liability for a breach is on whoever was in the best position to prevent it and didn't. I'm sure there'll be disclosure requirements coming.

[bp_28]

30:58 - Biggest Bogon Emitter: The Swedish Federation for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Rights http://www.blazingcatfur.ca/2015/07/21/sweden-democrats-plan-gay-pride-parade-through-muslim-areas-leftists-and-gay-rights-groups-decry-the-parade-as-racist
Progressivism is a mental disorder. They can't even agree on who they're trying to give special privileges to.

[Ibrahim90]

30:58 - Biggest Bogon Emitter: The Swedish Federation for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Rights http://www.blazingcatfur.ca/2015/07/21/sweden-democrats-plan-gay-pride-parade-through-muslim-areas-leftists-and-gay-rights-groups-decry-the-parade-as-racist
Progressivism is a mental disorder. They can't even agree on who they're trying to give special privileges to.

I know, right?