I feel helpless

Started by tnu, May 22, 2014, 09:19:28 PM

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Quote from: dallen68 on May 25, 2014, 10:38:52 AM
Or/and VI could have been written in such a way that the betrayal was that Darth Vader was Luke's father, not Anakin.

Then Obi Wan lied in IV when he told Luke Anakin was his father.

Quote from: MrBogosity on May 25, 2014, 11:15:19 AM
Then Obi Wan lied in IV when he told Luke Anakin was his father.

Was that actually said? I thought it was more like: Luke assumed Anakin was his father, and Obi-Wan just didn't correct him. (For that matter, maybe Obi-Wan didn't know at that point. Or maybe it was known that Darth and Mrs. Anakin (who's never mentioned) had had an affair, but it was generally believed Anakin was the father... Or something.)

There's probably a hundred ways they could of handling it other than Darth killed Anakin by changing his name.

Wait, got it:

"Oooh, pah oooh, pah Luke I am your mother ooh pah"

GAH! If I hear any more variations on that misquotation I'mgioing to lose it.

Quote from: dallen68 on May 25, 2014, 11:40:24 AM
Was that actually said?

Yes:

Luke: How did my father die?

Obi-Wan: A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down
and destroy the Jedi knights. He betrayed and murdered your father.

Sorry, but it couldn't be more clear. It's a retcon, plain and simple.

Quote from: MrBogosity on May 25, 2014, 04:04:44 PM
Yes:

Luke: How did my father die?

Obi-Wan: A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down
and destroy the Jedi knights. He betrayed and murdered your father.

Sorry, but it couldn't be more clear. It's a retcon, plain and simple.

And a particularly bad retcon, since it doesn't depend on giving new information that was merely improbable or unknowable at the time (like, say, how Jean Grey didn't actually become Phoenix but instead was just used as a template for it to create an avatar, which nobody knew because the avatar was biologically identical to her and the knowledge that it was not the original was removed from it's mind) but instead on a quite tortured interpretation of what should have been a very clear statement. (The alleged early draft I read had Darth Vader being a completely different person from the Sith Knight in the story, and no linkage to Luke's family for either of them, and the Sith was so badly treated by the Empire that he joins forces with the Jedi to defeat them at the end.)