Naturopathic leaning family members...

[Travis Retriever]

...Can be annoying sometimes.  About a decade or so ago, my mom got into this "Eat Right 4 Your Type" stuff:  http://www.webmd.com/diet/blood-type-diet if not as a diet, but also as a book.  I've never seen any real evidence for it outside of the book.  I can't help but feel it might be full of shit.  Last I checked, whether you are an omnivore, herbivore or carnivore is NOT determined by blood alone, but rather anatomy.  With carnivores having sharp/knife like teeth and shorter intestinal tracks and with herbivores having flat teeth and often multiple stomachs to digest the cellulose in the grass/etc they eat.  With omnivores obviously being in-between; while lifespan is more a function of genes and lifestyle (and risky behavior in general).

Now she's seen this documentary called "Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead" where some Australian bloke bought a juicer and ate nothing but juiced veggies and fruits for 30 days (or however long) and got healthier/lost weight.  So my mom bought a juicer, and is planning on trying something like that going with two juice fast meals a day.

Don't get me wrong.  I love my mom.  I'm just glad that she tends to take many of the ideas with a grain of salt, and tries to focus on the effects.  Like focusing on results instead of just blindly following it.

So yeah, had to get that off of my chest.  In case you were all wondering, yes, this is one reason I posted that other topic regarding sources and evaluating them, but it's been building for years.  And yeah, I'll probably continue to juice at least a little bit to help me get some more fruits and veggies in my system much like John Pinette when he was losing weight.  Especially spinach.  The faster that shit gets down my gullet  and away from my tongue's taste buds the better. Gods it tastes bad, even if it is good for me.

[dallen68]

As far as it goes, there's nothing "wrong" with juice, but to go on a diet consisting solely of that probably isn't a good idea. For one thing, our digestive tracts are kind of made to break down solid food.

As far as the blood type diet, this is a case where further research would help. If the only person in the world that thinks [pet hypothesis] is that one person, and all other experts agree on [not pet hypothesis] then [pet hypothesis] at the very least has an uphill battle for establishment. If you look up recommendations by members of the American Dietetic Association, for example, none of them mention "blood type"; which is, in itself, a clue. 

[Travis Retriever]

As far as it goes, there's nothing "wrong" with juice, but to go on a diet consisting solely of that probably isn't a good idea. For one thing, our digestive tracts are kind of made to break down solid food.

Well, it's not exactly "juice" as me and my mom don't throw away the pulp and stuff, but rather mix it back in.  So we're still getting the fiber and other good stuff too (and yeah, it often involves lots of chewing!)

As far as the blood type diet, this is a case where further research would help. If the only person in the world that thinks [pet hypothesis] is that one person, and all other experts agree on [not pet hypothesis] then [pet hypothesis] at the very least has an uphill battle for establishment. If you look up recommendations by members of the American Dietetic Association, for example, none of them mention "blood type"; which is, in itself, a clue.

She also seems to believe that the way milk, meat and eggs are processed today is actually making them unhealthier and unsafer to eat than, say, 60 years ago.  Or that raw milk is best for one example and that eating raw egg was safe 60 years ago, but a bad idea today;  despite being told by me and cracked.com in that article I posted in fav quotes just now: http://www.cracked.com/article_19628_9-ridiculous-cooking-myths-you-probably-believe_p2.html that points out that pork is actually SAFER to eat medium without risk of trichinosis!

[dallen68]

a purely vegan breast milk diet

Isn't that a contradiction?

as she fully believes that the way milk, meat and eggs are processed today is actually making them unhealthier and unsafer to eat than, say, 60 years ago.  Or that raw milk is best for one example and that eating raw egg was safe 60 years ago, but a bad idea today;  despite being told by me and cracked.com in that article I posted in fav quotes just now: http://www.cracked.com/article_19628_9-ridiculous-cooking-myths-you-probably-believe_p2.html that points out that pork is actually SAFER to eat medium without risk of trichinosis!

Actually, most foods are safer now than they were 60 years ago, for one thing, we now know much more about sanitation than we did then. Along the same line, or maybe on a completely unrelated line, since there is no industry standard regarding what is or is not "organic" [for this, let's ignore the fact that if it's food, it's "organic material"], so any body can slap any sticker they wish on it. If you're worried about the insecticide (which the grower might be lying about, btw) rinse the food under water while applying moderate friction (your finger will do) for about a minute. The raw milk things is just bat insane: unpasteurized milk is known to begin spoilage within a matter of minutes, so unless your sucking that cows teat...

[Travis Retriever]

Isn't that a contradiction?

It means the mother's diet is vegan and she only gives her baby her body's breast milk since her baby can't chew her veggies or nuts, etc.

Actually, most foods are safer now than they were 60 years ago, for one thing, we now know much more about sanitation than we did then. Along the same line, or maybe on a completely unrelated line, since there is no industry standard regarding what is or is not "organic" [for this, let's ignore the fact that if it's food, it's "organic material"], so any body can slap any sticker they wish on it. If you're worried about the insecticide (which the grower might be lying about, btw) rinse the food under water while applying moderate friction (your finger will do) for about a minute. The raw milk things is just bat insane: unpasteurized milk is known to begin spoilage within a matter of minutes, so unless your sucking that cows teat...

Sounds about right.  And yeah, as far as science is concerned, anything with carbon in it is, by definition, organic.

[MrBogosity]

Sounds about right.  And yeah, as far as science is concerned, anything with carbon in it is, by definition, organic.

Actually, it's any molecule with a carbon-carbon or carbon-hydrogen bond. But even organic chemists will tell you that's completely arbitrary.

[Travis Retriever]

Actually, it's any molecule with a carbon-carbon or carbon-hydrogen bond. But even organic chemists will tell you that's completely arbitrary.

oops. Yeah, that's true.

[dallen68]

I think for the purposes here, organic can be defined as "being or being derived from a living organism". No matter which one of the three you use, the definition of "organic" needs to undergo a transformation in order for the pro-organic foodist (Yay! I invented a new woo-term!) arguments to have a meaning.

Also, if "organic" means "having carbon" or "having a carbon-carbon/carbon-hydrogen bond", does that mean diamonds are organic?

[Travis Retriever]

Also, if "organic" means "having carbon" or "having a carbon-carbon/carbon-hydrogen bond", does that mean diamonds are organic?

Yes.

[MrBogosity]

Also, if "organic" means "having carbon" or "having a carbon-carbon/carbon-hydrogen bond", does that mean diamonds are organic?

Diamonds are absolutely organic! You know they used to be trees, right?

[dallen68]

On the MSN homepage today, there's a thing that says drinking a sugary soda a day will increase your chances of getting type 2 diabetes by 10%. It doesn't say doing so for blah years will do that, or nothing like that.... So if you down 10 cokes, you get diabetes, right? (You know, because you just increased your chances of getting it by 100%) [No, I don't think that's how it works, I'm making fun of the absurdity of it]