Knight Lance Charge vs Spartan Phalanx

[evensgrey]

So? You said, "It took too much time to train slingers compared to those using the weapons that replaced slings."
I never said that. I'm saying that a small projectile hitting a leg of an animal charging you at 35 MPH is incredibly unlikely.And you seem to think bigger means taller. War horses were the same height as riding horses. There's a difference between height and musculature.No, a small projectile hitting a leg of an animal charging you at 35 MPH is incredibly unlikely. There are just too many moving parts for that to have a reliable shot of that happening. Sure if it hits a leg it will do serious injury, but its highly unlikely. I think the most likely part of the body hit will be the chest. With a war horse's training it might continue charging if its nothing to serious.Why do have to keep repeating this? That's why they wouldn't charge head on, the Heavy cavalry would try to outflank them. The knights are aware of how bad that would be.

OK, so you still won't learn anything about the subject, and knew nothing about it to begin with.

Since you've decided to pull a Meyers, you are incapable of being worth correcting any further.

[Skm1091]

So I guess the "molotov" ideas the best so far, eh?

[evensgrey]

So I guess the "molotov" ideas the best so far, eh?

Here's the really nasty thing about those (which would work pretty well, and Spartans would probably be able to do them with Greek Fire, the most horrific incendiary weapon of the ancient world): There's historical precedent for hurling various incendiary devices (including Greek Fire-based projectiles) from slings.  (You sort of need to do that, since you don't want that crap landing anywhere near you.)

[MrBogosity]

Here's the really nasty thing about those (which would work pretty well, and Spartans would probably be able to do them with Greek Fire, the most horrific incendiary weapon of the ancient world): There's historical precedent for hurling various incendiary devices (including Greek Fire-based projectiles) from slings.  (You sort of need to do that, since you don't want that crap landing anywhere near you.)

With sometimes disastrous results to the combatant, if it goes up early. Look up the origin of the phrase "hoist with your own petard."

[evensgrey]

With sometimes disastrous results to the combatant, if it goes up early. Look up the origin of the phrase "hoist with your own petard."

Well, that was with primitive explosives (more or less the black powder equivalent of a satchel charge) instead of incendiaries. Having your Greek Fire hit you might be worse than having your petard blow up before you get out of range.

[Skm1091]

Well, that was with primitive explosives (more or less the black powder equivalent of a satchel charge) instead of incendiaries. Having your Greek Fire hit you might be worse than having your petard blow up before you get out of range.

are there ways to put out greek fire?

[MrBogosity]

are there ways to put out greek fire?

I would think any Class B extinguisher would take care of it.

[Skm1091]

I would think any Class B extinguisher would take care of it.

I meant using more ancient or medieval means.

[R.E.H.W.R.]

Since you've decided to pull a Meyers, you are incapable of being worth correcting any further.

Coming from the person not addressing my arguments.

And while I'm at it. The source you provide has no context of what the horses that were hit was doing at the time. Were they moving, were they standing still, were they charging? I don't know and neither do you.

Can slingers stop a Medieval cavalry charge? I don't know and neither do you. I personally find it unlikely, but I could be wrong.

Until we figure out time travel, we only think we know what we know about history.

[R.E.H.W.R.]

I meant using more ancient or medieval means.

Maybe lots of water or dirt to kill the oxygen?
We don't even know the formula for Greek fire, so who knows?

[evensgrey]

I meant using more ancient or medieval means.

Some sources say you could smother it with sand, others say you could put it out with urine, all agree it ignited on contact with plain water (which made it something of a favorite in naval warfare). We know it was quite nasty (and quite dangerous) stuff.

[evensgrey]

Coming from the person not addressing my arguments.

And while I'm at it. The source you provide has no context of what the horses that were hit was doing at the time. Were they moving, were they standing still, were they charging? I don't know and neither do you.

Can slingers stop a Medieval cavalry charge? I don't know and neither do you. I personally find it unlikely, but I could be wrong.

Until we figure out time travel, we only think we know what we know about history.

Your 'arguments' are limited to personal incredulity.

If you knew anything about slingers and how deadly they are, regardless of armor, you wouldn't keep insisting that they cannot hit the types of targets they hit with ease

Until you go learn something, stop your worthless jabbering.

[R.E.H.W.R.]

Some sources say you could smother it with sand, others say you could put it out with urine, all agree it ignited on contact with plain water (which made it something of a favorite in naval warfare). We know it was quite nasty (and quite dangerous) stuff.

Are you sure it was plain water or sea water?
Just asking.

[evensgrey]

Are you sure it was plain water or sea water?
Just asking.

Both, aparently, since all sources agree that water (which would normally be fresh if oyu had a ready supply of it anywhere but a ship) was worthless at best, and the mention of ignition on contact with water include all the references to use in naval combat. (This stuff was apparently really popular for naval combat, probably due to the way it tended to burn down cities when used on them. The ancients tended to want to capture cities so they could loot them first.)

[R.E.H.W.R.]

If you knew anything about slingers and how deadly they are, regardless of armor, you wouldn't keep insisting that they cannot hit the types of targets they hit with ease.

I'm not saying slings are inaccurate or not deadly. I'm saying there is an entire difference between hitting a target staying still and one moving at 35 miles per hour. I'm not saying slings can't take down a horse, I'm saying that a sling will have a hard time hitting a horses leg in a gallop.

But, I don't really know and neither do you. We are talking in hypotheticals here, we could both be wrong.