The most uninteresting internet talking points

[Travis Retriever]

My two cents on this...

@D:  Meh, I'll admit the celeb mourning annoys me.  Not nearly enough to start trolling people about it, Westboro Baptist Church and/or 4chan style with explicit photoshops of them in hell or saying I'm glad they're gone or whatever.  Partly because I'm not *that* big of an asshole, but mostly because I don't care enough to be asked.  But also because, having recently been learning what it's like to feel emotional investment in a form of fiction (Newshounds and Housepets webcomics ftw), I figure I'd best not throw stones from glass houses... bare in mind that I haven't watched TV or movies in over a decade (ever since my family got internet access sometime around 2003 ish), I've been more of a flash cartoon person, then later YouTube video kind of guy, so I haven't really gotten any kind of emotional attachment/investment to one of these celebs--so there's my bias there.  Well, with the possible exception of cracked.com folks like John Cheese...anyways.

@Shane:  Something probably made worse by Stefan Molyneux.  Don't get me wrong, he says a TON of good stuff.  I wouldn't have provided Hawkeye with moral support over AIM when he was debating Jason Fennec in that other thread about him (and climate change), or posted a bunch of his videos in fav quotes if I thought otherwise.  And yeah, maybe it's just me, but after a scuffle with you regarding national debt in one of your videos brought on by me watching one of Stef's and him saying, "it's not our debt" (well, by any *sane* standard it isn't, but moving on...) but it did demonstrate to me he has this very annoying tendency to sort of overplay just how far in this movement we really are.  He talks about de-FOOing (read: a slightly less harsh version of disowning) parents and people who don't choose you over the state's violence, but how many of us would even be alive if we all did that? What few people would we be left to interact with? Maybe he meant just people who we want to be friends? Okay, I have a few friends in the furry fandom I've known for upwards of over 10 years whom I consider good friends--in fact, one of the lines in my rewrite of how to argue for statism (the one about 'your team') was inspired by a quote he made to me regarding the democrats being 'his team' (his exact words).  I've tried Stef's method before with putting someone on the spot like that; by asking "do you advocate the initiation of violence against me for any reason?"  And honestly? Said method blows ass.  1) All it did was cause *tons* of unnecessarily grief and guilt to me, making me feel like a manipulative prick and shut-in who lacks social skills even more than I already do.  2) I was already drifting and growing apart from him to begin with, so at best, all it did was delay that while putting bad blood between us.  Maybe if I had a stronger will and better options (and better social skills and no anxiety issues), etc.  But for now, it's just not viable.  Certainly not for me.  I find I tend to just slink away and grow apart naturally without the almost harpy like method(s) Stef is advocating.

[Travis Retriever]

But I digress, back on topic!

YOU LIBERTARIANS (or atheists, depending on who's doing the screaming) ARE JUST A BUNCH OF FOREVER ALONE, FEDORA WEARING NECKBEARDED AUTISTS/ASS-BURGERS LOL!
Riiight! Just like how a few years ago we were all evil exploiting businessmen with more game than a pick up artist who hate the poor instead.  Moral of story, if you're going to tell lies and poison the well, at least stick to the same ones.

YOU LIBERTARIANS (or atheists, again, depending on who's doing the screaming) ARE JUST A BUNCH OF NAIVE KIDS WHO NEED TO GROW UP AND GET WITH THE REAL WORLD!
You're trusting/giving your blessing to institution that has murdered over 260 million of their own citizens in the last century not including war and you call yourself a realist?  Also, why is wanting to change the world for the better a bad thing, even IF it is something you'd expect more from children?  Would you have said that to the abolitionists? Or to the Wright Brothers? Or to Steve Wozniak?  People who make that verbal defecation are the people who will never change the world for the better.  But worse still, rather than just getting out of others way, they'll do whatever they can to prevent others from changing the world for the better too.  Pathetic.
How is a love of liberty and freedom 'immature' anyways? It always struck me as the opposite, with statists treating the state like parents.  Methinks YOU guys need to grow the fuck up.

LIBERTARIANISM IS 1ST WORLD PROBLEMS LAWL!
I dunno, the folks getting the shit kicked out of them and murdered by their governments in the 3rd world would probably take offense to that...Oh, riiight! But that's because of capitalism...even though that stuff happens, quite consistently, in the least free places on Earth. oops.

[tnu]

"Government is the natural result of capitalism and they require eachother to function"

[Travis Retriever]

"X is toxic!"
In what dose?

[MrBogosity]

This is what people will tell me when I express my frustration in being a good 3+ years behind in life (I got a BS degree...at the age of 25, almost 26 despite having an IQ pretty close to MENSA status),

I was 26 when I got mine, so I'd like to think you're in good company there.

Something similar to what you're talking about is when people tell you to "be strong." Being strong is good, but their version of "being strong" is something like, "Hold back the tears, hold your head up high, never let it get you down..." I'm sorry, but that's not being strong. That's ACTING.

Being strong isn't anywhere near as vainglorious as that. It's realizing that this sucks, and you just have to plod through this river of shit you've managed to get dumped into and get out of it as best as you can.

[ArtemisVale]

I was 26 when I got mine, so I'd like to think you're in good company there.

Something similar to what you're talking about is when people tell you to "be strong." Being strong is good, but their version of "being strong" is something like, "Hold back the tears, hold your head up high, never let it get you down..." I'm sorry, but that's not being strong. That's ACTING.

Being strong isn't anywhere near as vainglorious as that. It's realizing that this sucks, and you just have to plod through this river of shit you've managed to get dumped into and get out of it as best as you can.

I might get my degree around the same time since i changed majors.

[tnu]

I wouldn't be too upset. I'm very behnd n life but it's kind of to be expected. I'm a bit of a chronic slacker.

[MrBogosity]

"You need to vote, because people went overseas and fought and died for your right to vote!"

Oh, really? That's why they did it? And how many terrorists are attacking America because they don't like the fact that we vote? Really, tell me: who were these enemies we fought that were trying to take away our right to vote?

[dallen68]

"You need to vote, because people went overseas and fought and died for your right to vote!"

Oh, really? That's why they did it? And how many terrorists are attacking America because they don't like the fact that we vote? Really, tell me: who were these enemies we fought that were trying to take away our right to vote?

That goes right along with: "You can't stand there and say (insert whatever it is here) because (someone) fought for your right to stand there and say..." . If that's the case, you're the one dishonoring their service by stopping me from saying... I'm simply making use of my right.

[Travis Retriever]

I might get my degree around the same time since i changed majors.

I was 26 when I got mine, so I'd like to think you're in good company there.

Something similar to what you're talking about is when people tell you to "be strong." Being strong is good, but their version of "being strong" is something like, "Hold back the tears, hold your head up high, never let it get you down..." I'm sorry, but that's not being strong. That's ACTING.

Being strong isn't anywhere near as vainglorious as that. It's realizing that this sucks, and you just have to plod through this river of shit you've managed to get dumped into and get out of it as best as you can.

I also added the following the first point (in boldface):  "if you really believe that, so you're saying if I put you in a jail cell for 10-20 years that nothing had been stolen from you or that it didn't matter?  Because that IS the logical conclusion of what you're saying when you say that.  That the time stolen doesn't matter.  Or if, say, someone is murdered, the time he had stolen from him is irrelevant so it wasn't immoral/ or was even moral.  It's fail beyond fail."

[Ibrahim90]

you guys are such late bloomers : I got my degree when I was 22....

EDIT: actually, it leads to an uninteresting talking point (through the strange workings of my brain).

"my civilization is the most important!!!1! We invented EVERYTHING!!!1!! HURR DURR"

I hear that from Greeks, Persians, Arabs, Italians, and western Europeans, etc, etc, etc. I do not understand it. No one civilization did everything or is the most important...why the arguments?

[Travis Retriever]

you guys are such late bloomers : I got my degree when I was 22....

EDIT: actually, it leads to an uninteresting talking point (through the strange workings of my brain).

"my civilization is the most important!!!1! We invented EVERYTHING!!!1!! HURR DURR"

I hear that from Greeks, Persians, Arabs, Italians, and western Europeans, etc, etc, etc. I do not understand it. No one civilization did everything or is the most important...why the arguments?

...*bonks you on the head* Meanie.
But yeah, I see that myself, though not as often. 

[tnu]

you guys are such late bloomers : I got my degree when I was 22....

EDIT: actually, it leads to an uninteresting talking point (through the strange workings of my brain).

"my civilization is the most important!!!1! We invented EVERYTHING!!!1!! HURR DURR"

I hear that from Greeks, Persians, Arabs, Italians, and western Europeans, etc, etc, etc. I do not understand it. No one civilization did everything or is the most important...why the arguments?

Isn't that basically the same argument as "without the state we wouldn't have the internet"?

[AnCap Dave]

Italians

As someone who is part Italian, let me be the first to say fuck the Italians.

[Travis Retriever]

As someone who is part Italian, let me be the first to say fuck the Italians.

Surprised Shane didn't give you a warning for a bigoted comment, so eh.